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Fascinating graph! Keeping in mind that this is probably way, way flawed methodology, I still wonder why men seem to lean so much more conservative or right-wing than women.
It's macho manosphere influencer bullshit mostly. There is no equivalent fem-o-sphere for women. The closest potential is the terf sphere and that's highly limited as it's based in a niche of hating trans women instead of being based in "self-improvement" like the manosphere which gives it broad access to anyone searching for self improvement themes.
Thanks. I've been wondering about how exactly conservatism spreads in general to people who didn't grow up in that type of environment, and it's just hard to fathom. I guess there are a lot of people putting a lot of effort into influencing people in that direction, even outside the "manosphere".
Outside that sphere the biggest one is coming up through GAMERS, first pewdiepie, now the rat king.
I can imagine that. Thanks.
I understand that it's not explicitly right-wing, but the "Call her Daddy" podcast is probably equivalent to Rogan. It seems more "nonpolitical" but platforms establishment Dems. I haven't listened to it, though.
I would say the closest equivalent is probably trad wife (outside the obvious male targeting fetish accounts) or crunchy/"pastel QAnon" stuff but yeah there's not a might makes right fascism baked into it for right wing women (as far as I can tell)
I've definitely seen women who go for the might-makes-right thing and have the appreciation for old Axis military culture you usually see with deep-in-it fascist men. But that mostly appeals to a specific type of tomboyish/butch woman, usually lesbians, it's essentially the blending of late 20th century/00s lesbian military culture and the "gay Nazis" phenomenon of the 1930s. And it definitely isn't all that attractive to young girls the way the masculine variant draws in young boys.
And it's not appealing to young girls. The macho shit is groomed into the boys at a young age. They are failing at finding a way to appeal to the early teen girls.
They have no pipeline for it. The boys pipeline is well constructed but the girls is non-existent.
They have to appeal to them with something they want, but they don't know what they want, or they're ideologically opposed to it and incapable of synthesising far right ideas with something appealing to what young girls aspire to be personally. The boys aspire to be tough hard strong men. The girls aspire to be ... Strong women. Often creative, intellectual, self-sufficient, confident, etc. The right doesn't want girls to grow up to be this so they fail to present something appealing to these younger girls.
You really wonder why?
Yes. I suppose because of chauvinism, but I would like to understand it at a deeper level - why do men become like that? I suppose society is geared to push them in that direction?
To reduce decades of theory and praxis into a quip, socialism requires all people to receive the fruits of their labor. Just as the bourgeoisie extract surplus labor from the proletariat, a husband extracts surplus labor from his wife^[this is the concept Marx was talking about when he wrote about the 'abolition of the family' in the Manifesto]. Socialism requires women's liberation, which necessarily means men lose surplus labor from women. Therefore, men as a class will act in their class interest to stifle socialism as it requires women's liberation.
Additionally, the law of supply and demand applies to labor sellers. This means that as the supply of those willing to sell their labor increases, the exchange value of their labor falls. Therefore, proletarian men as a class are inclined to prevent women from selling their labor. This effect also applies to immigration^[Engles wrote about this quite a bit in Conditions of the Working Class. It is racist screed and you probably shouldn't read it.]. Of course, this is not to say that women or immigrants' interests are in conflict with other proletariats, but rather that the bourgeoisie have pitted them against each other.
This is, of course, a massive undersimplificaton that ignores tones of causes and points of view. I'm sure other comrades will be more than happy to talk about other aspects of women's liberation.
Makes sense, thank you! I really need to study theory.
GOOD post
A lot of "machismo" is simply rooted in claiming one part of an alleged binary and defining it as "masculine" - they do this with everything, including political parties.
If suddenly women were rabidly enthusiastic about conservative politics we'd have mobs of young, divorced men (led by Stephan Molyneux) in the streets foisting a nordic demsoc reign of terror, replete with a "green new deal" and UBI, upon us all.
Good points and agreed. Unfortunately it seems that a lot of women have also internalized machismo and chauvinism, and sometimes contribute to its continuation (at least based on some things I've read and even personally experienced in the past). It's a whole unfortunate system.
So if we could associate anti-communism with women and feminism in the popular consciousness, we'd have Bolshevik mobs of young men and divorced dads in the streets waving Soviet flags. Hmm.
This might be how maga-communism came into being
I wouldn't be surprised. Honestly, it's probably the same material conditions that gave rise to German "national-socialism" after the Spartakists failed in 1919 and the liberals/socdems couldn't offer strong policy and a new direction for the failing country.