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| Date | Episode | Title |
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| 07-23 | SNW 4x01 | "Valles Marineris" |
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did you somehow forget 7 of 9?
Whose whole character arc is about the female trauma of losing control of ones body and having it occasionally violated?...
....with a large dose of how to connect with your mother figures, even when one is being a bit of a Borg queen?
No, I didn't forget, and it's great that Voyager hit some gender specific trauma stuff consistently with 7 of 9.
That may be how it turned out in the end, but that story arc is absolutely not why 7 of 9 was added as a character on the show.
you and @baines@lemmy.cafe are correct, though i consider that part of the triumph of 7. the writing and acting elevated that character way beyond the box they tried to put her in.
i will agree that later she had depth
Some impressive gymnastics going on with the guy you're replying to...
What I remember people saying about Enterprise at the time was along the lines of "hadn't they learned their lesson with Voyager?" 7 of 9's outfit was an embarrassing thing non-trekkies would point to when characterizing Trek fans as "virgin nerds".
Even with the backroom politics of 90s TV, they still cooked with the ingredients they were given.
Where as Enterprise thinks of its self as (according to the article) "a man’s man’s Star Trek"... and seems scared of the Me Too movement.
So yeah Voyager played the hand they were dealt, and surpassed Enterprise by far.
she didn’t need to look like that to carry that message
please don’t pretend the point was sexy first
How many nip slips did 7 of 9 have?
Jeri Ryan is just a good looking actress and spandex are very scifi.
Not that I think going straight to the source will sway you, but...
Brannon Braga:
Jeri Ryan:
So no, "spandex are very scifi" doesn't hold a lot of water in this case.
Whoa TV producers have sex-brained politics and just want mass appeal, you don't say?
Doesn't change the fact Voyager still did better on this issue, and the article says a lot about how a boys club mentality was embedded into Enterprise.
you can always go lower, there’s practically no bottom, doesn’t change the fact that crazy over the top outfit was purely to sell sexy
Does the question: "Did you somehow forget 7 of 9?" read "let's limit the discussion to judging the women based on costumes alone" or say "Lets judge the character's strengths based on why TV producers had them introduced"?
No, the discussion - and even the article is about how Enterprise is claiming to be "a man's man's version of Star Trek" a "boy's club" and feel lucky they got in before Me Too happened.
So reiterating "Yeah, but TV producers really wanted Jeri Ryan to look sexy" doesn't change those facts, or the topic.
Voyager took what producers gave them, and still wrote a deeper look into gender trauma with it.
what? no
I’m judging the tv producers
both had sexist elements put into the show
voyager managed to work around it
and the enterprise article is bait