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I agree with you, but I want to point out the strategy was mostly to get moderate voter who tend to vote Republican to vote for them, not to get moderate Republicans to vote for them. Slightly different, but an important distinction. It was still stupid and failed either way though, because they had to abandon people who are more on their side to do so.
Fair point, and thank you for the clarification!
What's the difference? If you're a moderate voter who votes Republican, then you're a...moderate Republican. That's what a moderate Republican is.
I don't know if you're aware but you can register your party affiliation. Some states require this to vote in primaries. The graph above is for registered rebublicans, not people who tend to vote Republican.
Tankies that discourage voting are also preventing movement to the left.
When you find one of those, be sure to let them know that. I voted for Harris in 2024 and freely speak only for myself for 2028.
Fucking "tankies" - the bogeymen of .world. What a fucking lazy way to dismiss perspectives you don't want to consider.
I've met several that refuse to vote in the .ml servers. If you don't vote and discouraged others then your preventing the move back left. Voting is still one part of building our leftist movement.
Yes, thank you for the grossly misdirected scolding. Have a nice day now!
Voting is part of how we move back left. They often refuse making them part of the mechanism that prevents us from moving back left. If enough people no show for Mamdani he could still lose. Harm minimization is still important and part of how we obstruct, and they want to no show.
What am I miss directing?
The individual you seem to be directing the scolding to.
That person, whom I can assure you, you will not hear from after this, is:
Thus, your scolding is misdirected, annoying, and not whatsoever landing how or where it should.
Further, I could give a shit if you don't like that I'm questioning the honor of dems. Not being allowed to do so is how we fucking got here. If Democrats have to pretend they haven't been doing exactly what they've been doing for decades (edit: I will amend that to "at least the past 10 years") in order to get votes in the future, they are no better than R.
On the other hand, they can stop playing for the scraps R leaves behind whenever they want.
Good, but I'm also not promoting dems. It just happens that in the dem party is where most progressives are, and I'm consistently saying we need to grow that wing where possible. By not doing that your keeping the wheel from moving left as well.
And to be clear voting is important, but just one part of the class war.
I AM THEM, I was speaking rhetorically. Jesus. Plonk for real this time. Next time you want to scold someone for discouraging people from voting, please direct that scolding to SOMEONE WHO IS DISCOURAGING PEOPLE FROM VOTING. Not sure why this is so hard to understand, or why you want so badly to preach to me.
So what are you getting work up over? I'm just pointing out that tankies are playing a hand in keeping our politics to the right and that elections matter.
If you have good candidates, people will show up and vote for them. The problem isn't with "tankies". It's with the Democratic Party sucking ass.
Tankies actively say voting doesn't matter. I get their critiques and they are valid, but to not vote is to give up an important front in the class war for no reason. It also means that the progressive movement won't grow (either in the dem party or independently)
Which is why I'm saying tankies are also keeping us from shifting left in this regard.
That isn't the problem, though. The reason why Kamala Harris lost isn't because a bunch of tankies convinced people that voting doesn't matter. Kamala Harris herself convinced them that voting didn't matter.
Federal elections are still just one of many. Tankies aren't even at least trying to go state and local; which matter even more. Then they wonder why they have no one in office. I get the deck is stacked, but they are also not doing much grass roots either.
Again its only one part of the class war, but its still one that matters a lot
Hey, it wasn't all Kamala's fault! Biden also helped convince them that voting doesn't matter. As well as Obama... and a bunch of other Democrats.... and the DNC.....
Is anybody on the left saying that people should sit out this election, though? I think that people who are typically apathetic about voting would actually show up to the polls when somebody like Mamdani is running; that is, somebody who is both good on the issues and is popular. Typically, the politicians who are good on the issues have such small budgets and are so marginalized that nobody knows who they are, so the voters who would support them just stay home. Mamdani managed to pull off the hat-trick of being both a Democratic Socialist and winning a Democratic primary.
And we need them to show up in other cases as well. At least vote green or some other third party.
Harm minimization does help; particularly in deep red areas. And if your in a solid blue place then go to primaries and support your local Mamdani as much as possible.
Most tankies will discourage others from doing this. Which means they keep us from moving back left.
Yes! Alternative parties need your vote! Research all the candidates. You'll probably find somebody you agree with, at least most of the time. No candidate is perfect, but I can almost always find one who I won't feel bad about voting for.
I dunno. Simply not voting is such a cop-out, and it isn't a morally defensible position. It's part of your responsibility as a citizen.
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