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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 120 points 2 days ago (23 children)

"Both sides bad" is why we have Trump.

Democrats took America from gays are illegal, to full gay rights with marriage. Environmental laws have been all Democrats. If Democrats did nothing, Trump wouldn't have signed 76 executive orders reversing Biden orders on his very first day.

[–] Nikophos@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/democrat-republican-elect-primary-1.6497911

It's apparently all part of a Democratic strategy aiming to help those seen as extremist Republican candidates to secure their Republican party's nomination. (Which Mastriano did win.)

The hope for Democrats is that those extreme Republican candidates would be much easier for Democrats to beat in the November general election. But the strategy has raised some concerns about effectiveness and whether it could have unintended consequences.

https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/

The memo named Trump, Sen. Ted Cruz, and Ben Carson as wanted candidates. “We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously,” the memo noted.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Things have been getting worse my entire life regardless of who has been in charge. It gets worse more slowly under the dems, but it still gets worse.

Why is it too much to ask for things to get even a little better?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It gets worse more slowly under the dems, but it still gets worse.

Gay marriage? DEI? Pacific Protected waters? Arctic protected from drilling? It was getting better until Republicans were elected to undo it all. The Rachet Meme is a version "both sides bad" which is what helped Republicans win.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago

id like to remind you biden was a conservative running concentration camps for latinos at the border.

[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 74 points 2 days ago (15 children)

No, the DNC is why we have trump. It’s on them.

Obama wasn’t perfect at all, but his platform was at least change and progress. While he was originally against gay marriage he did listen to the public and change for re-election. If the DNC listened to the public instead of fighting against progress that would be great. But like… Biden was the throw away to conservatives for Obama’s VP to “balance out” Obama being progressive….And now he was their best idea on what to do for a better future? It’s pathetic, and demonstrates the above.

No one is trying to say Biden was worse than trump. They’re saying the DNC is what even allowed trump to exist, by being greedy fucks who care more about their handlers than the American people and running the worst candidates they can. “Nothing will fundamentally change” is the dumbest, most “fuck you don’t bother to vote for me” fucking campaign I’ve ever heard.

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Democrats didn't flip on gay rights until Obama, and the Supreme Court did marriage equality. (Yes better than Republicans) Democratic leadership is already trying to send trans people under the bus to try to save face with the Republicans. Both sides are bad! We need to demand more from the democrats and force them to support the working class and to never back down when talking about human rights. Right now. The Democratic party is nothing more than an enabler of our abusive and coercive government/economic systems that allows lessor evils to even exist.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Democrats didn't flip on gay rights until Obama

And Obama didn't flip on gay marriage until the end of his first term. Biden came out in favor of it, which forced Obama's hand, but it wound up being the right move; it energized the base when enthusiasm was starting to wane. Then, under Obama's leadership, they continued to do nothing to establish gay marriage at the federal level.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

"But he said something vaguely positive, that's exactly like legal enforcement of their rights!"

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (37 children)

Democrats took America from gays are illegal, to full gay rights with marriage.

Gay marriage was legalized at the federal level by a conservative-leaning Supreme Court. The only time a Democrat acted on same-sex marriage nationally was when Bill Clinton banned it by signing DOMA in 1996.

Environmental laws have been all Democrats.

Nixon created the EPA.

If Democrats did nothing, Trump wouldn't have signed 76 executive orders reversing Biden orders on his very first day.

If Democrats passed legislation, Biden's achievements couldn't be undone through executive order.

The parties are not the same, especially now that one of them is openly fascist, but you're giving Democrats credit for things they did not do. Also, the meme doesn't say they're the same, it describes the rachet effect, which is an accurate representation of how Democrats behaved on multiple issues. Look at how their economic policies have changed over the last 30 years, or how their views on immigration policies have changed since Trump was elected.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

The Democrats didn't do shit for gay marriage. That was the Supreme Court.

Also, Nixon created the EPA.

I 100% agree with you but I'd also like to point out that the EPA was made by nixon in the 70s. theyve done some good stuff too, just less

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 22 points 2 days ago

Socially left on some issues and economically right on all issues isn't left.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago

Of course there was some good legislation along the way. Nobody is denying that. But the crisis we face now is there because the Democrats decided to ignore the danger. It really is that simple...

You can start with Citizens United. You can talk about the Dems after 9/11, the illegal drone strikes, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, how the Dems celebrated the human rights violations then, which leads us to El Salvador today. You can talk about stacking the courts, which was a plan publicly announced in the 90s, that the Dems never seriously tried to stop, leading to the current Supreme Court...

If you want to say, "Well, the Dems are less evil," then great, many people partly agree. But that's not good enough. They fucked us all over by not stopping the Republicans from doing really horrible shit, even though we all knew what was coming. Maybe in a few years we can write on Biden's tombstone "Not quite as evil as Trump." Would that make anyone happy? Is that something to be proud of?

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago

actually, your candidate running a dogshit campaign and telling everyone to the left of them to fuck off is why we have trump. we warned this would happen, too. anyone with a memory span longer than a pet goldfish remembers all of this.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 days ago

Decades of lesser evil voting is why you have Trump

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

No "vote blue no matter who" and not demanding actual representation is how we got Trump. People got duped by a con becuase they have never seen the real thing, so anything different can look appealing to the uncritical.

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