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[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 74 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

Why do they have to be black? America is bizarrely obsessed with race, I've never seen anything like it both in person and on the internet.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

It's because America is obsessed with race, and has systematically attempted to demolish black economic power from the foundation of the society, that people may choose to shop this way.

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Yeah sure, but you're just perpetuating. It should just be 'buy from local American farmers', race shouldn't be a thing.

[–] Spiderwort@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Fighting racism with more racism.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 33 minutes ago (1 children)

This is why im gonna teach my future kids to bully white kids like I was, they need to understand /s I got them sent to juvie that was good enough for me lol, fight racism with the law, give them a criminal record and get them thrown out of school, way more satisfying

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 2 points 29 minutes ago

For context so mfs dont defend my old bullies they were 5 years older, would surround me and call me a terrorist (I was in 3rd grade) They eventually escalated and spat on my grandpa when he noticed them fking with me, he chased them and fell, and cops got called. They did this shit for like a month before anyone noticed, I was scared theyd actually beat me up if I told my parents. It was 5 white teens and one indian me, Idk any white kids that had to deal with that shit, I was being called a terrorist before I knew what it was.

[–] Revonult@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

I would prefer knowing my money is going to people who have been systematically disadvantaged for this nation's entire history.

I suppose your post could imply other minorities could be included but the way I read your comment gives off big WLM energy.

Edit: spelling

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Yeah and I understand your thought process. However the entire point is to skip large corporations and buy food from local farmers. Again, why do they have to be black? Coming from a country not obsessed with race, the very mention of race prior to a product or service, seems strange and segregating in itself.

Race should just be taken out of it, support your farmers. That is my point.

And fuck off with the white lives matter shit. I would say the same shit to white farmers, Latino farmers etc. Race+service = bizarre.

[–] prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Dude this is discrimination also. It's like why do I have to pay for things that my gparents have done? This brings me to other questions such as how long do you will be "systematically disadvantaged"? I have seen those cases with my eyes: Afro has their college fees paid and they got paid for studying. he/her reproved. Do state retired the help? NO. They just had a talk with he/her and keep with aid. Meanwhile my mixed friend had to put gmother home as warrant to get a loan in order to pay the stupid college. I got enough of it.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 43 minutes ago

Nobody alive has lived through this nation’s entire history

[–] 88leo@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

the democrats have built their entire brand around performative racial justice where everything they do is designed to appeal to different groups. Its super toxic and while I am vehemently anti-racist this tokenization of policy is counter productive and the reason why a lot of people reject the democrats as "racist"

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago

Bro, the US wins world champions in racism. There are ethno-nationalists in India that think Americans take it too far.

It's also important to note that POC, black people or melenated people (take your pick - i.e Pakistani and some Indians are PoC) are not exempt from being racist.

In fact, if you suffer racism there's a chance you'll then turn racist, because it triggers pack instinct, paranoia, group think - etc. Humans gonna hume. "You're claiming reverse racism" - bitch, did I stutter? Racism is racism is racism is racism.

That being said, zoning laws are still CRT based and some neighbourhoods in the US only get the most basic super markets - if even that.

"All I see is church, church, liquor store" - Black Milk.

If black people need access to raw produce in areas they can't get access to it, then I think it's completely acceptable. Sad, but acceptable.

I could also see a bunch of Karens buying out the stock so that they can brag that they eat "black produce", effective depriving black children of proper produce.

To err is human, and also be awful is human, and also racism... is human, and also (say it with me now):

Humana gonna hume. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] TheFunkyPickle@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 hours ago

Because uh... Orange man hates black people or something...

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago

This is like, 50% the value of pissing off people in power.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I still love how everyone acts like America is the only racist country on the planet.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 hours ago

We wanted to pretend it was ending ourselves until 2016.

[–] eyelevel@lemmy.world 22 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Sure, it can seem on the surface like wanting to support people of a particular race is in itself a kind of racism, or at least a situation that emphasizes unfair distinctions.

Unfortunately, race does still matter in America, even if we personally disagree with it or want to ignore it. The health and economic research data make it very clear that people of color in America, especially black people, experience harder lives in almost every category. This is due to both recurring experiences of present-day prejudice and discrimination, as well the inter-generational impacts of wealth inequality and psychological trauma.

You might already know about this, but redlining is one example of the way that patterns of discrimination can creates a systemic effect, which, in turn, can impact the physical and financial effects on a family across time. These kinds of systemic effects can then make it harder for current generations of these families to recover and live safe lives today though, we personally might celebrate that the policy doesn't exist anymore, and even though we personally might say that we don't support people acting like that anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

No one really has to do anything, but some people might choose to support groups of people or organizations who they think might have experienced similar kinds of hardships in their families, and might be glad to have a way to try to do something different with their money than give it to another multinational corporation every time.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 13 hours ago

Right but as far as I understand it the supermarkets and wholesalers screw all farmers over equally race isn't a consideration.

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I've heard these arguments. I still hold my opinion. America needs to move away from the race obsession.

[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Completely fair - do you have a counterargument? I'd be interested in hearing the other side.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Constantly talking about race makes race a topical issue.

[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

As in

  • Not talking about race will solve the lingering systemic race issues, or
  • There are no lingering systemic race issues, so we should stop talking about it?
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Oh no the US is a shitshow of systemic racism, like super ridiculous on every level. There is such a wild undercurrent, surface levek and then an even weirder like super liminal racism where it just has to be mentioned.

Watch like any late night and they will make a self depricating white person joke, middle aged white guy thing. Just stfu about all of it, address the systemic issues with actual actions and then just you know...live as neighbours as americans.

[–] Pornacount128@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 9 hours ago

Well b is definitely false, so I'm hoping they meant a