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[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 86 points 2 days ago

Frankly I still question if he’s a lookalike scapegoat so the police can save face and try to put it to bed. May also explain the odd “planted” evidence that is being mentioned.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago

Eh, if he was a real random fall guy, they wouldn't have picked a rich handsome guy in his mid 20s.

Like, it's almost most definitely him...

But fuck the cops, fuck the wealthy, and fuck the healthcare industry. They need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt and all those groups are habitual liars.

So if I was on the jury, they'd need a lot of evidence and need to be able to explain how they got it. They used some illegal spy tech shit because it's a rich victim? Then all evidence gained after gets thrown out.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago

Yeah, and NYPD wouldn't have gone so far out of state so quickly. If I was trying to grab a fall guy as fast as possible, I would have picked up the nearest criminal I knew that looked vaguely like him and might have had motive.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

wouldn’t have gone so far out of state so quickly

Nah, that part I get, they knew shooter came in on a bus, so they grab someone on a bus.

The gun, silencer, and manifesto could have been from the central park bag.

It'd just be crazy they wrapped the one guy on a Greyhound bus with generational wealth.

His best defense is pushing that angle, the "but how did you find me?"

Like, this part has barely been mentioned:

Authorities said a customer in the restaurant thought he matched the description of the suspect in Thompson's killing and notified an employee, who called 911.

https://www.newsweek.com/mcdonalds-worker-luigi-mangione-private-security-1999217

To me it's more likely that customer was a fed or law enforcement, they already knew he was there, they just needed a legal way to act on that. There's been a big push to put all the blame on the fast food worker, but I have a feeling stuff like that would have kept happening and may not even have been the first person told.

It's no "jet fuel can't melt steel beams", but you could build a legal defense on this that results in all charges thrown out.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 15 points 2 days ago

No doubt all kinds of face recognition NSA spy shit without a warrant

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They don't need facial recognition, there's gait recognition that's just as good.

However I don't think that's what it was because Luigi's back issues would have introduced variations in gait that make it much harder.

It's 2024 bro....

That's all stuff we knew about 20 years ago, I think what they used is something we can't even guess at. Once we find out it'll sound like common sense like gait recognition and savvier criminals will account for it by doing things like wearing different sized shoes or even putting tacks in their shoes.

But until people know what's being used, they can't beat it reliably, which is why they do these parallel investigations to hide how they really do it (only applicable when one of the elites are victims).

[-] SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I suspect the Ministry of Silly Walks will start receiving a lot of new grant requests soon if you're correct about gait recognition being used in this case.

[-] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

He's not saying they used gait recognition, he's saying they probably used something high-tech that no one has heard of. The public has know about gait analysis, voice analysis, handwriting analysis, etc for a long time.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

The public doesn't know about gait analysis.

I don't think this is any real secret squirrel shit, I think it they're just trying to conceal the identity of the person who made the tip.

Which is understandable, I'm sure if they were identified they'd get death threats.

[-] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

You don't know about gait analysis. A quick search would show you its not "squirrel shit." Lots of research papers are available from the past 10+ years about using it for surveillance, and there's even a wiki page.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

I know about gait analysis. If you go talk to people on the street, they won't.

[-] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

That's not what I meant when I said the public knows.

[-] SGforce@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

There's another case I have a strong suspicion about. Some "random guy at the bar" tipped off the FBI about a guy they've been watching for years. They claim they printed out the picture matching the name/description and the agent recognised him immediately as someone he had questioned once and snapped him up. Was one of those guys planning to blow shit up but I don't get why they couldn't get a fucking warrant for that.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

they wouldn't have picked a rich handsome guy in his mid 20s.

Why not? Luigi Mangione is closer to pleb status than billionaire status. He's not in the class that the police protect, why would they have any qualms about framing him?

[-] Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 2 days ago

Wouldn't shock me. Police always want things to be done in open and shut cases all of the time. Makes their job easier.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

This conspiracy theory doesn't make any sense to me. All the "real killer" would have to do would be to kill someone else and the entire deception would fail.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago

Or be happy they know they got away with it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

But the cops wouldn't know that. Why would they take the gamble that their entire ruse could easily be undone? Again, it doesn't make sense to me.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Cops: "That's just a copycat/nutjob."

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

Who looks like the guy in the original images?

I mean if we're going to go all crazy conspiracy, maybe they gave Mangione super fast plastic surgery too?

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Let's hope there are a lot of "real killers" out there waiting for their chance.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"So Luigi has a copycat eh? This is why the people who idolize Mangione are the problem! Never forget Bob Thomas or whatever that fucker's name was."

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

A copycat who looks just like the person in the first images?

Again, this just doesn't make sense to me.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

Is this one of those "who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes" situations?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

I'm not the first to point out that the guy in the security camera footage isn't even the same skintone as Luigi

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Do you think they white balance security cameras every time they turn them on? Because you need to do that to try to get accurate colour.

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