this post was submitted on 01 Dec 2024
132 points (98.5% liked)
chapotraphouse
13565 readers
765 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Reminder that the Finnish air force had the sw*stika on their flag until 2017!!!
This is also still framed as not the swastika: I and everyone I know have asked the serious adults when we were kids: "Why is there a swastika in the air force flag?"
And we have all gotten the same splain about how it: "AcHuAlly is not the swastika at all, because it is the other way around and has been used here far longer and for other reasons than the nazis used it, so it's different."
This is even taught this way in schools. Whatever it takes to keep history buried.
I sometimes struggle to communicate how thoroughly history and all actual events have been disappeared from consciousness here, but this is a good example.
I hate living in America but everything I hear about Finland makes me think I would have lost my mind if I had to grow up there. It's self-image just seems like such a complete fantasy built on top of such a huge obvious historical bedrock of evil, but you're considered the childish naive dumbass for refusing to play pretend atop the bones.
It's deflating. I remember growing up and the first time I read Marx as a teen, I went: "This makes so much sense." Said it to the serious adults who all called me utopian and idealist.
The 90s depression is when my own family lost everything. I watched neoliberalism roll in and could not for the life of me understand why people just took the austerity and misery onto their personal selves, how Jaska from the corner bar thought he needs to now suffer because common good and national debt. No riots, no protests, nothing.
Then there is the rise of nationalism and rewriting of history. The great project of national homegenousness that rolled over workers, minorities. The forgotten divide which I at least still remember very well because I crew up in a family of half Reds and half Whites. The othering and shittalk the White section did was so disgusting. I remember it, why nobody else does?
And turns out none of the history I was given in school, from family, is true. I mean true in the framing sense. From the civil war to winter war to finladization it's all just bs from start to finish.
It's a shit country with mostly Reddit type lib people in it now in positions of power. Debatelords and oh so civilized rational trolley problem people who just want to belong to the west. Yet they don't. Our bourge are currently selling us for parts to Google, mining companies and military operators, just as it has always gone. And nobody bats an eye because they believe everything they are told. Or it seems like that at least.
The presidential flag STILL has a swastika.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_Finland#/media/File:Flag_of_the_President_of_Finland.svg
Yeah but they got it before the nazis got it so that makes it totally fine even if it was at the behest of a nazi
The very same nazi who got it adopted by Hitler too. Its really all just all the way down.
Why should I change it he's the one who sucks
Hey they weren't nazis, they only added the swastika at the suggestion of Hermann Goering's brother-in-law! It's entirely unrelated!