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What's the appeal of Donald Trump?
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this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2023
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Wow... Everything you just said is factually, objectively wrong. Our country is WORSE because of Trump. What's wrong with you?
Hold up. OP asked a reasonable question and vector_zero gave his answer without being abusive or even unpleasant. The downvotes and your reply are not conducive to a reasonable discussion. This isn't Reddit. We can be better.
Sure- I don't see it like vector. But I'd like to think we could talk about it with civility.
That’s a losing battle I’m afraid. The power of an echo chamber is too strong.
FTR I was also disappointed to see the downvotes on an honest, if unpopular, opinion.
I absolutely hate Trump and I'm disappointed that an honest and unpopular opinion received downvotes. It reminds me of the single downvotes on comments such as "we need to stop gun violence." It signifies partisan politics rather than open discussion.
Are we not supposed to use down vote for "I disagree with this but I don't have the energy for a full reply"?
Downvotes should be reserved for comments that add nothing to the discussion. It’s not a disagreement button.
At least that was the original intent.
You can down vote and still be civil. While vector_zero gave a calm and honest accounting from their perspective, it was an effectively empty comment without any verification.
One could argue that, if you wanted a deep and data driven approach to the motivations of trump voters, you just aren't likely to get it... Ever.
I disagree. Your approach assumes his views have value and in that validates them. They do not. There is nothing right, factually or morally, that a Trump supporter can present.
You've effectively paraphrased Hillary's "basket of deplorables" quote. Attempting to alienate your opponents and treat them like rabid animals is not a winning move.
I'm not trying to win anything. Do you not realize the purposeful damage people like you who voted for that sociopath have done and continue to do? You act like trying to overthrow our government is the same thing as student loan forgiveness.
Toxic, divisive, and unproductive language. You're also conveniently disregarding the fact that Trump's opponent was the only person in the whole country capable of losing to him. You should direct your anger toward the people responsible for electing her during the primaries, rather than a lone person, in California (who therefore had no impact on his election), who cast his vote 7 years ago.
I disagree with most of your points, but damned if you're not right about that. The DNC shares a lot of blame for inflicting Trump on us, after straight up rigging the 2016 primaries against Bernie. Of course the Republicans also just rolled over and let him drive their entire party off the alt right cliff, so maybe the lesson is that all politicians are weasels.
That said, if the choice is between a corrupt and spineless weasel and a rabid hyena intent of tearing the country down around his ears, I'll pick the one that's less likely to bit my face off.
There is plenty of room for common ground on that. I could not vote for her either. I have the unpopular opinion that she would have been much worse for the country. And I REALLY dislike T. (I didn't vote for him either.)
Thanks for keeping this all civil. Voices like yours are needed to prevent the Reddification of Lemmy.
Unlike you and the rest of your ilk, I don't need to exist in the past to inform the present. I don't care how Trump was elected once he took office. Now, people like me are doing our best to mitigate the continuing damage he inflicted and the continued damage the Republican party inflicts.
Blind rage is unproductive online, and highly detrimental in real life. I wish you the best.
If you truly wish me the best you won't vote against your own self interest in the future.
This person gave a cogent and reasoned reply to the question and allowed us to see the reasoning of people on the other side, an opportunity rarely afforded to us here. And your response is an ad-hominim attack? Really?
Yes. I tend to not need to listen to why a Nazi is a Nazi, but if you think you can glean some hidden meaning from doing so, you go right ahead.