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[-] Butterpaderp@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Did you forgot the part where it came down to just bernie vs biden in 2020 and people overwhelmingly voted for biden?

I like bernie too, but he wasn't gonna get the pick

Edit: I have angered the bernie bros

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago

All these sources of intentional corruption against someone running to improve the lives of all Americans and not just a select few, and you just go "Hmm, but he was losing according to the media that lied to us, so he lost fair and square."

[-] Butterpaderp@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

I see how many people didnt vote for him. How is the media lying about that?

You could argue that media was against him, but the truth is that people in america just aren't that progressive. I mean hell, look at how terrible the dem turnout was this year compared to last election.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)
  • Refuses to cover his campaign ads
  • Refuses to cover his victories
  • Internally leaving him off of nationwide polls when data allow him to be counted (CNN infamous called Sanders "Other Candidate" instead of showing him, but counted Andrew Yang)
  • Slander about him being sexist when he encouraged women to run for office and only started going in 2016 when he asked Warren to run and she declined.
  • Mass media campaign about calling the Jewish senator antisemitic for not being "pro killing children"

So when the media is against you, people see it as a bad candidate, and don't vote. Even when he was never a monster, but Trump got more air time saying "Mexicans bring rape".

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Democrats aren't progressives. Maybe if they were, they wouldn't lose all the time.

[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu -1 points 4 hours ago

"If they just had my opinions (that are unpopular to the US population at large), they would win."

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, except progressive positions are broadly popular. Raising billionaire and corporate taxes? Popular. Single-payer healthcare? Popular. Universal Basic Income?Popular. Bernie Sanders? Still pretty fucking popular!

Meanwhile, how popular was the flaccid centrist platform the Democrats put up this year? Is Kamala gonna be president? Are they gonna keep the Senate? Is the house looking good? No? Then maybe it's time for all the popularity experts in the Democratic party to shut the fuck up.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 57 minutes ago

Data? In an argument with a data denial weirdo? Good luck on convincing this weirdo.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago

I'm just so fucking tired of hearing why the policies that I and most of the country want are unpopular from people who can't win a fucking election.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

Except it wasn't just him and Bernie. It was also Warren, so the progressive vote was spit, while the centrist vote was coordinated around Biden. Nice try though!

[-] Butterpaderp@lemmy.world -1 points 19 hours ago

Biden made more than bernie and warren combined in alot of states. If bernie was meant to be, more people would have voted for him, plain and simple.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

You're right, I forgot that Bloomberg was still in and running a campaign entirely designed to block Bernie. Nothing says, "Democracy," like an oligarch entering an election and using his personal wealth to undermine another candidate, right?

[-] Butterpaderp@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

Bloomberg was a joke. Can blame it on everything you like, bernie was still never getting presidency in 2020. People picked Biden over him.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Oh, I get to blame it on anything I like? Really? Then I'm going to blame it on Democratic party that was actively working against Sanders, a coordinated effort to anoint Biden after he won South Carolina, an actively hostile media, and a billionaire who spent his on money on anti-Bernie ads. There were more headwinds against Bernie in those primaries than there were against Hillary, Biden, and Kamala in the general. Stop pretending that it was just, "people picked Biden," FFS.

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