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The fascists in DC want Ukraine to lob missiles deep into Russia and potentially kick off Russia making good on their threat to use nukes and like I said it feels like nobody gives a shit meanwhile the ghouls are in an orgy over okaying this.

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Remember to vote for Kamala sweetie because if Trump wins he'll end the war with peace talks.

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[-] Roonerino@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago

I doubt Ukraine has missiles in either the quantity or quality to do significant damage within Russia. If they did, they probably would have already used them to terrorize Crimea and we all see how well that's gone.

Ukraine isn't sitting on a secret cache of wonderwaffles waiting for a green light to cleanse the untermenschen.

[-] coolusername@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

the truth is they've already been launching them at Russia for a while now. I think some gov officials in Russia or diplomats have recently said this. Russian air defense has already adapted to ATACMS and storm shadow missiles and I think the vast majority of them get shot down now.

[-] darkcalling@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

These are ATACMS and Stormshadow missiles supplied by the US and UK and France and so on to Ukraine. They are long range. They are made in the west and shipped in regularly. And importantly their launchers are known to be crewed by literal NATO soldiers from those countries. The targeting data and intelligence for their targets is supplied via US intelligence networks from US spy satellites.

The point is to use these weapons to like destroy an apartment building in Moscow and terrorize civilians. The point is to blow up a train station full of civilians. They might also hit some rear line Russian stuff like airfields I guess but mostly soft targets IMO.

They literally have been unable to use them for attacking deep into Russia because the US has said no and they control the missiles, both the supply and the people doing the firing and the people supplying necessary targeting data.

So they kind of are sitting on a cache of weapons, nicer missiles which are harder to intercept, which travel further, which are more evasive, etc. It won't alter the course of the war but will impose a higher cost on Russia which has been the goal of the US all along, to bleed Russia, to weaken them, to sap their interest in further entanglements and make the Russian public and leadership war-weary and wary of standing up to the west in future.

All this said, a problem with Putin is he's always talking big then backing down which unfortunately just encourages the west to continue to push these lines. If you're constantly threatening but not backing it up you start to lack credibility and others look for ways to salami-slice their way to backing you into a corner. Which is inherently dangerous and likely to lead to nuclear war.

He's really, really not a confrontational guy or a tough guy in these terms. I mean he got played for 8 years with fake peace talks as things continued to escalate before finally acting and even that act was at first just an attempt to intimidate Ukraine into surrender by going for Kiev but not actually trying to take it so much as apply pressure which resulted in an offensive that had to retreat later when the peace talks were predictably sabotaged by the UK.

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