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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 255 points 1 week ago

I find that title to be wholly innaccurate.

There were also women on the force, so it was 376 boys and girls in blue sat around and let 19 kids and 2 teachers die.

Well, 375. There was that one asshole who shouted "Do you need our help?" to which a hiding child responded "Yes we need help!" and was subsequently shot by the gunman

That person actively caused a child to die.

[-] BassaForte@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago

Don't forget the one cop that wanted to help but was held back and prevented from entering (I think his wife was a teacher or something)

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago

Oh, and that other cop who was going to try to open the unlocked classroom door but was then told to go patrol the rest of the school

[-] Delta_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 week ago

The only reason they even started evacuating was because one of them opened a classroom and saw it was full

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[-] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 week ago

Their pronouns are cop/cops (or pig/pigs), so their gender should be irrelevant in this case.

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[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 164 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 135 points 1 week ago

376 armed cowards keeping a bunch of parents from rescuing their kids... and what changed? nuthin.

so gross

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 95 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nothing changed because Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there. After that tragedy. There should be no more question that it’s a cult.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there

Sadly, the kids weren't allowed to vote. Mature enough to get shot at. Not mature enough to select the police who stand idle while it happens.

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[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 124 points 1 week ago

Here in Denmark a crazed man attacked the Fields shopping center with a couple of hunting rifles. The first time something like this happened in a very long time.

Danish armed police had a quick response time. Loads of dudes with in full body armour and MP-5s guarding every main exit while other guys went inside to clear out the civilians and hunt the shooter down.

The sniper equipped helicopter circling the shopping center spotted the shooter coming out of a service door and he subsequently got caught.

I think in total only 5 people died, which was from the short period when the guy started shooting.

All the right wing gun addicts from America were chest thumping and table banging, shouting all over social media that this somehow was an example that gun laws don't work. However, considering this happened within a short period after the school shooting in America, all it truly did was make American police look like a bad joke.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago

As much as ACAB, I can admit that sometimes an armed response is necessary. It sounds like you danes have a well trained force, rather than some 6 week academy psychos with a hard-on for violence.

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[-] snooggums@midwest.social 107 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Holy shit, I thought it was double digits. How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 120 points 1 week ago

How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?

Some of them tried and were actively prevented from doing it by other Officers. The whole situation is actually worse than most people realize.

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[-] halykthered@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 week ago

Because it's a group of narcissists. They were too worried about themselves. None of them had the courage to say "I'm willing to not go home tonight so these kids can."

Actually I'd bet that a bunch said that, but didn't actually do anything about it.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is what pisses me off the most. 376, and you can't storm the room? 376? And you refuse to trade one for any of those children who needed protecting? These are supposedly the hard calculations they have to make and they all unilaterally chose themselves? Enforcers will always be useless to anybody but the property owners. They aren't actually here to protect anybody. They should have made the call, and traded 20 of themselves so those kids didn't have to die. Thats the hard call we expect these "hard asses" to make.

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[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 83 points 1 week ago

I scoff every time a cop on a TV show is like "I joined the force to save lives and make a difference" because it's painfully obvious that this is pretty much never the case in reality.

[-] Blackout@kbin.run 40 points 1 week ago

They joined the force because it has the best job security next to CEOs in the US.

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago

What's the point of all that military gear they're wasting tax payer money on then? Fascist cosplay?

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 65 points 1 week ago

It’s to use on protesters, not on actual crime.

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[-] Sunroc@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

If they are actually fascists then it isn't cosplay though.

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[-] Mango@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago

Too bad the shooter wasn't black. The cops weren't trained for this.

This is a cop problem, not a gun problem. All the guns were working, including the shooter's. The cops saw fit to take their lunch hour instead of working.

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[-] Heikki@lemm.ee 63 points 1 week ago

I recall a conservative news segment where the "jounalist" and "expert" had discussed that the kids should have rushed the shooter and overwhelmed him. Doesn't matter they were 6-7 they should have stepped up and stopped it all.

Meanwhile, the actual people gained to do that wouldn't, despite overwhelming numbers

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[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 51 points 1 week ago

More like it’s yet more proof that you cannot rely on the police to protect you.

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[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago

Cop's first priority is themselves. If it's convenient, they might help others.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago

Cops refuse to show up on my methhead neighbors - they have weapons. But when my (then) husband wanted to evict my little unarmed 5’3” butt from the house I’d lived in for the past seven years, after physically beating me to the point I wasn’t really cogent, they sent a whole riot squad to pick me up.

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[-] Nicoleism101@lemm.ee 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

From all my internet lurking I discovered that America is a country almost beyond redemption, or at least some states.

I always wonder if it is really that bad or am I just hearing the usual ‘my country bad’ talk like anyone does but the news point to the first one basically every time. I can only assume it is mostly true and sympathise.

As someone who lives in middle eu capital city and has proverbial 4 houses it is all quite mind blowing. I feel like I live in completely different reality and I am grateful for it every day.

It’s however very painful to hear all you just plain suffering. Maybe that’s why my mind goes ‘it’s probably exaggerated’ it can’t be that bad can it be?

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[-] Zip2@feddit.uk 45 points 1 week ago

To protect and serve. *

*terms and conditions apply

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[-] snow_bunny@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Unironically, if we had 376 armed drag queens and furries instead, not nearly as many children would have died.

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[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

Maybe by more guns in school, they meant the kids should carry the guns.

  1. Kids buy gun
  2. Take guns to class with them
  3. Gun industry profits
  4. ??? 🤷‍♀️
  5. World peace
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[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

Good thing cops are not legally required to help you in the US, even if you're about to be killed by a criminal.

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