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submitted 11 months ago by ericbomb@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Obviously this question is only for people who eat beef regularly.

But I just was wondering, what IQ/ability would make you swear off beef? If they could speak like an 8 y.o, would that be enough to cut off beef? If they got an IQ of 80, would that do it?

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

I'll go with the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy answer and say the cow likely will offer me in person which cuts of meat I prefer. It's sole purpose in life is to be part of the food cycle. It knows that and it accepts it.

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[-] VulKendov@reddthat.com 18 points 11 months ago

If they were smart enough to start protesting, I could see myself eating mor chikin.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Yeah, even if the spelling on their protest signs was atrocious, I'd still appreciate the effort and order some nuggets.

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 15 points 11 months ago

I don't know if there's an IQ amount, but there's probably a dollar amount. The more expensive it gets, the less I'll eat, and then eventually I won't bother.

[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Basically the same here. Pepsi has basically priced themselves out of the market for me.

[-] gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

At the point where it consciously knows that we breed and slaughter them for meat. That would be my red line. I don't know what IQ that equals to.

[-] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

How do you know livestock cows don't already know this?

[-] gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 13 points 11 months ago

I know they don't know this consciously because of their behaviour. If we suppose they were intelligent enough to understand their predicament, I would expect them to protest in some way. For example by breaking out of their captivitity, trying to kill their captors, or even commit suicide.

This is not the behaviour we observe from cows. They seem perfectly happy to bond with and follow along their captors (farmers) right up to the point where they get a bolt through their head.

This - to me - clearly indicates that they are far below an intelligence level where they can understand the living conditions we put them in.

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[-] Nemo@midwest.social 7 points 11 months ago

No smarter than they are now.

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[-] MyDogLovesMe@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

The point at which it could collaborate with others and fight back.

Until then, it looks like meat is back on the menu, Boys!

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[-] Gryzor@lemmyfly.org 7 points 11 months ago

I think your should stop eating any meat the moment you don't feel like you have what it takes to look at the animal in the eye while you kill it for consumption.

If you think you can't do that, then you should reconsider your meat consumption.

I'm approaching this point in my life and reducing consumption accordingly.

Cows can be moderately smart when raised as such. It's humans who selected the specific traits we considered more convenient for our needs, and breed them like that.

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[-] ATQ@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Well, some people believe that pigs are as smart as toddlers. So a cow would, at a minimum, have to be smarter than a pig.

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Have you met a toddler? They're fucking stupid

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[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Intelligence isn't even well defined or measurable. Things like IQ are designed for humans, so they would not be applicable to other beings. They're barely even useful for human applications.

It's an interesting question though. First, I'll ask myself why I eat beef in the first place.

  • It's tasty
  • It's relatively cheap
  • Very nutrient dense, so it's easier to consume

Why do I not eat dogs or cats?

  • They are not socially acceptable to consume
  • They contribute positively to my life in other ways than being a food source

I'm pretty sure that a dog/cat could be dumb as a rock and I still wouldn't eat them because I'd still enjoy their company.

Now I do try to reduce the amount of beef I consume, but it's mainly for environmental reasons.

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[-] Gsus4@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They're already smart enough :) but up close they're a burpy gassy mess, feels like a sentient bioreactor who is really fussy about what delicious grasses their friends found on the other side of the hill.

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[-] olivier@lemmy.fait.ch 5 points 11 months ago

Basically, I wouldn't be able to eat anything that speaks (I haven't and don't intend to, but that's not what would prevent me from eating a "talking" parrot, for instance)

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

When they're capable of doing a conversation with me.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago

Cause of death: Social Anxiety

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I think it should be mandatory for everyone to spend at least one day of their young adult life hunting, killing, dressing, and cooking. The experience will likely alter the person's entire outlook on life and meat in general.

I never forget that meat was a life that mattered; with a personality; good and bad days; life; experience; struggle it lost to me. It doesn't stop me from eating meat. I wish I had the ability to hunt for what I need. I know my own ethics, like when to take a clean shot, and only taking what I need. Animals in industrial livestock facilities are mostly managed by unethical criminals. None of us asked to be born in such an overpopulated world. Unfortunately, this is the impossible problem. If you are smart enough to see the issue of overpopulation, that is great, but even if you avoid having children, those that are not so bright will always enumerate.

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[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

They'll basically need to become smart enough to sue for their right not to be eaten and win before I stop eating them.

[-] Kerfuffle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

But I just was wondering, what IQ/ability would make you swear off beef?

10% of the current IQ would probably be high enough.

[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How low would my IQ have to be for you to let part of my omnivorous diet be meat ?

Would 80 do it ?

[-] Halafax@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

I guess my cutoff would be actual conversation. Unless they specifically ask to be eaten, ala the bit from Hitchiker's Guide, in which case I guess the sky is the limit.

[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 3 points 11 months ago

Smart enough for them to stop being eaten. But at this point they'd have to have similar intelligence to ours, which means we'd probably be at war with them anyway.

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

I think people forget that nature is quite brutal. If humans stopped eating meat, millions of animals would still be killed by predators, illness, parasites, old age, accidents, etc.

If cows became intelligent enough to participate in society but we had lab grown beef, I'd eat it.

[-] Kerfuffle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

If humans stopped eating meat, millions of animals would still be killed by predators, illness, parasites, old age, accidents, etc.

If I don't murder people, people will still get murdered. Therefore it doesn't make a difference if I choose not to murder people?

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[-] blazera@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

My personal limit is recreation, or having fun. So no cows, or pigs, horses or dogs or cats, mostly no mammals really. But also i wouldnt eat like a crow, or octopus.

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