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[-] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 93 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No vertical Taskbar. -1

Horrible multiple monitor support. -1

AI built in. -1

Ads in the start menu. -1

Until this list starts at zero I'm not even remotely interested.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's Microsoft. -5

Telemetry everywhere. -5

Upcoming automatic screenshots of your screen on a regular basis! - 1000 (Microsoft Recall)

This is a horrible, horrible software that nobody should run...

[-] pycorax@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

Isn't the multi-monitor support better in 11? It properly supports restoring windows into the correct monitor when you reconnect monitors.

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Yeah that one works.

And there's so much more you could criticize anyway:

Edge? No thx, if I want it I will install it myself.

TPM? Wtf bro, take it out.

...

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Title

> Edge? No thx, if I want it I will install it myself.

Hey now, back when I used Windows, I found Edge to be perfectly suited to it's job... of downloading Firefox.

I wish I could praise Edge as one of my top five favorite ways to install Firefox, but ...

  • flatpak
  • apt
  • Ansible
  • git clone; make install
  • curl | sudo

Edge doesn't crack the top 5 anymore, after all.

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[-] Australis13@fedia.io 55 points 5 months ago

So, basically nothing new in Windows 11 that I want and a whole lot of things I don't.

[-] snownyte@kbin.social 6 points 5 months ago

Don't you fucking disregard Paint...

NOBODY ignores Paint.

[-] mPony@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

They're removing Wordpad. WORDPAD. because they want people to buy Office 365. The bastards. And they wonder why people turn on them.
It's death by 1000 cuts.

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[-] GasMaskedLunatic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 5 months ago

There is not a single thing Windows 11 does better than Windows 10 that benefits me. I'm sure I'll get a good chuckle out of that list.

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 months ago

The list is effectively all bs and such a stretch. The 'feature parity' begins at windows backup:

New interface

Windows 11 is easier on the eyes and easier to use. We took the best elements of Windows 10 and refined them to create a soothing place to work and play.

Wake on approach. Lock on leave.

Windows 11 can automatically wake up when you approach and lock when you leave. 3

Smart App Control

Exclusive to Windows 11 is Smart App Control. It provides a layer of security by only permitting apps with good reputations to be installed. Only available on the latest version of Windows 11. 4

Seamless redocking

If you connect your PC to an external display, Windows 11 can remember where you had those windows when you leave, come back, and reconnect. 6 This feature is new and exclusive to Windows 11.

Live captions

With live captions on Windows 11, speech in incoming audio (such as through a Microsoft Teams call) can be transcribed into captions. 7

Natural Narrator

To read, or to be read to? Natural Narrator can turn text into spoken words. 7

Windows Studio Effects

Background Blur, Eye Contact, Voice Focus, and Automatic Framing. Better video calling awaits. 14

Controller bar

Jump back into the game you last played or into a new game entirely with the Controller bar. 19 Only on Windows 11.

Auto HDR

Auto HDR increases the range of colors both new and old games can produce. Available only on Windows 11, this new calibration app increases control of color. 15

Widgets

Widgets are new for Windows 11. It’s best for staying up to date with all the things you need to keep tabs on: schedules, weather, stocks, sports—even celebrity gossip.

Windows Backup

Feel at home instantly on your new PC. With Windows Backup, 28 29 30 you can set things up to your liking by easily transferring some of your favorite settings, files, and apps from your old PC.

Backup and restore

Backup only

Paint

Paint is a simple and powerful graphics editor that comes with Windows. You can use it to create and edit images, draw shapes, add text, and more. New to Windows 11, Paint now comes with AI-powered tools 31 to help you edit images like a pro and create art like a visionary.

Cocreator, 31 32 33 Background Removal, 31 and Layers

Sync your PC and phone

Make and take calls. Reply to texts. Check and dismiss notifications. Use Phone Link to do it all from your Windows PC without even taking your phone out of your pocket. This feature is available for Android™ and iPhone® devices in Windows 11, and is available for Android in Windows 10. 27

Android and iPhone

Android only

Touchscreen

While Windows 10 worked well with touch inputs 1 , Windows 11 has been designed with them in mind for a true mouse-less or keyboard-less experience.

Search

You can find the Search bar in the Start Menu of Windows 11, and it can find whatever you can’t. That’s files, apps, or anything you want online. On Windows 11 the Search bar is in a new, easy to find, central location.

TPM

Trusted Platform Module (TPM) technology is designed to provide hardware-based, security-related functions. Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 for features that rely on the TPM for capabilities such as key generation, secure storage, encryption, boot integrity measurements, and attestation. These capabilities help organizations strengthen the protection of their identities and data. TPM 2.0 includes support for newer algorithms, which provides improvements like support for stronger cryptography.

Microsoft Edge

Microsoft Edge is optimized for Windows 11. The browser and OS will work together to bring you the browsing speed and security you need.

OneDrive backup

OneDrive backup is available on both Windows 11 and 10, providing your photos, documents, and other files a second life if, for example, your PC is stolen.

Windows Security app

The Windows Security app serves as the security dashboard and is available on both Windows 10 and Windows 11.

Snap assist

Snap assist makes the most of your screen space by arranging your open windows into perfectly aligned grids. 5 And on Windows 11, it’s now easier to find and use.

Desktop groups

With desktop groups, you can organize your open apps and windows into separate “desktops” to make it easier to switch between work and play modes. It was introduced on Windows 10, but vastly improved for Windows 11.

Contrast themes

High contrast themes are available in both Windows 10 and 11 to help those with low vision see easier.

Voice control

Windows 11 can interpret your voice into commands, like “Open [name of app]” or “Scroll Down.” This feature builds on Windows 10 and is greatly enhanced on 11. 9

Redesigned Microsoft Store

The redesigned Microsoft Store makes finding apps, movies, and TV shows you love easy, and comes ready to do so on both Windows 10 and 11.

Snipping tool

Snipping Tool is available on both Windows 10 and 11 to help users crop screenshots to share to others exactly what you’re seeing.

Journal app

The Journal app on Windows 11 provides the intimacy of handwriting 11 with the convenience of a digital app.

Clipchamp

With dynamic templates 12 and dazzling effects, Clipchamp makes it easy for anyone to edit videos like a pro. It comes built into Windows 11 but is available for Windows 10 via download from the Microsoft Store.

Digital pen

Digital Pen 13 input on Windows 11 builds on the progress made on Windows 10, providing an improved feel and incorporating haptic feedback.

Emojis

Whenever words won't do, Emojis are just a couple clicks away. And only Windows 11 comes with the new emoji clipboard (win + v). 26

DirectStorage

Games with larger worlds that load in less time. It’s possible with DirectStorage 16 and available on both Windows 10 and 11.

DirectX 12 Ultimate

This is what harnesses your hardware to produce stunning graphics for your games and is available on both Windows 10 and 11. 17

3D spatial sound

This technology makes it possible for you to perceive the sources of sound in games. 3 It requires compatible headphones and is available on both Windows 10 and 11.

PC Game Pass

PC Game Pass grants you access to over a hundred games for one low monthly membership fee and is available for both Windows 10 and 11. 18

Xbox game bar

No need to Alt+tab to change songs, check graphics performance, or find friends. Just use the hotkey Win+G in Windows 11 and 10 to bring up the overlay made for better play.

Get Started

The Get Started app is designed to help you get to know Windows 11 better.

Microsoft account

A Microsoft account can be your one passport to all things Microsoft, from Office to Xbox and more.

OneDrive file transfer

When you upgrade your Windows device, you can use OneDrive file transfer to seamlessly roll over your files and settings. 25

Windows on ARM

Devices with thin and light designs and amazing battery life that run the apps you care about. 20

Source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compare-windows-11-home-vs-pro-versions

[-] snownyte@kbin.social 23 points 5 months ago

Majority of the shit that they're touting as 'new', have already been done in past Windows OSes.

Widgets? Vista did that. Touchscreen? Windows 8 did that. Search? Really, fucking search? All Windows OSes did that. Paint? Are they fucking serious?

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

3d spatial sound always gets me.

Seems like it literally never ends, claiming to have some kind of new tech that revolutionizes 3d sound for either music or games.

Reality is almost nobody even today releases music in 5.1 or 7.1 format, and 3d spatial sound via software for headphones has existed since like 2002.

The Xbox Game Bar certainly is not new to 11... They just made it more of a system component than a program.

MSFT Accounts aren't new, OneDrive isn't new...

Also, after the gigantic kerfuffle caused by TPM requirement for Win 11, they are now apparentlty dropping it as a requirement?

So fucking glad I don't work for MSFT anymore.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Technically touchscreen support has been around since XP, but who's counting? Definitely not microsoft lmao gottem

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 4 points 5 months ago

I can't wait till they recycle Microsoft Bob.

[-] Agrivar@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

That's just a list of things I don't want (except Phone Link, which I'm already enjoying in Win10 as an Android phone user)

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[-] GasMaskedLunatic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah, like I said. No benefit to me. If anything, lots of these 'features' are things I want to actively avoid in my closed-source operating systems.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago

TPM is a feature of your motherboard, not Windows.

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[-] Shurimal@kbin.social 4 points 5 months ago

Windows 11 is easier on the eyes and easier to use. We took the best elements of Windows 10 and refined them to create a soothing place to work and play.

Nah, no, hiding basic stuff behind bazillion clicks in nested menus deeper than hell is not "easier to use".

Wake on approach. Lock on leave.

Windows 11 can automatically wake up when you approach and lock when you leave.

Why would I want that on a desktop that needs to do work even when I'm AFK? My PC doesn't even have a password on it—because if a stranger gets access to it, something has already gone horribly wrong and a burglar seeing my furry pics is the least of my problems🤪

3D spatial sound

This technology makes it possible for you to perceive the sources of sound in games. 3 It requires compatible headphones and is available on both Windows 10 and 11.

I don't use headphones and I already have a bangin' good surround sound setup with 18" sub and tactile transducers.

Smart App Control

Exclusive to Windows 11 is Smart App Control. It provides a layer of security by only permitting apps with good reputations to be installed. Only available on the latest version of Windows 11.

Why the fuck would I want that? I and only I get to decide what programs have the priviledge of getting installed and what don't. I bet M$ will deny "good reputation" to harmless code injection mods for games (SKSE/OBSE et al, ENB) because these are basically hacking while allowing data-stealing privacy nightmares like Discord app.

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[-] mrgreyeyes@feddit.nl 39 points 5 months ago

I'm was not allowed to upgrade from them. I'm not going to throw away a perfectly fine pc.

Installed Ubuntu and I'm having a blast.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Why tf do I have to spend thousands on new hardware to run a new OS that I don't want?

Fuck off Microsoft

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

Many folks have older PCs that won't run 11. And buying a new PC not high on the list when you're worried about paying for rent, food, transportation, medicine, etc.

[-] crossover@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

My high end PC from 3 years ago won’t run Windows 11 because of TPM bullshit.

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[-] Auk@kbin.social 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The main reason I didn't move to Windows 11 when it was new was it being picky and refusing to install on a processor that was only released two years before the OS (my setup itself being only a year old at the time). Since most things I've read about it since then act as a deterrent to upgrading instead of an incentive I now have no real inclination to try and update from 10 until I'm forced to by software requirements.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

But why would you upgrade if forced? You know you will have a subpar experience. Is it because of software you use that only runs on Windows?

The software I need on Windows will live on an isolated instance of Windows 10 in a VM on Linux when the time comes that MS stops releasing security updates for 10.

[-] Drummyralf@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

How is the performance on a VM? I use Windows for VR and Musicproduction. Like 10%, 20% performance dip?

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[-] Auk@kbin.social 3 points 5 months ago

I still retain a Windows install for games, and eventually things stop working easily. I kept running Windows 7 up until around when I built my current PC (2020) and that upgrade was due to some compatibility issue - I can't remember whether it was hardware compatibility with the new setup or a game/launcher requiring Windows 10 before I upgraded. I expect that I will eventually get something that wants 11 to work.

Mind you I spend a lot less time on games these days and I will probably get a few more years out of that computer - it might be a good while before compatibility/security becomes an issue and I'm required to consider moving on.

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[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago
[-] mrgreyeyes@feddit.nl 15 points 5 months ago

I see you forgot about a gem called "ME"

[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

That needed a trigger warning

[-] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago
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[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Win11 has excellent WSL support. Way better than Win10.

[-] mysticalone@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Linux supports WSL even better, practically native

[-] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Any time a company is pushing a change this hard I know it's not something I want.

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

Reminds me of windows 10 push..

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

I already got upgraded. Notice the passive voice. That shit should be illegal.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 12 points 5 months ago

You know what? Fuck you (installs windows 11 on your computer)

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah that and my PC randomly decides to crash and restart now without blue screen.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Blue screen add on now $5.99 subscription

[-] AntY@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I had a nightmare where windows 11 was automatically installed on my Linux computer since it shared network with a windows one.

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[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Literally just picked up a new laptop and immediately uninstalled windows 11. Drivers will be fiddly but it's already working fine.

I will never use the privacy ffest that is win 11.

[-] uhN0id@programming.dev 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Got my new Thinkpad T14S yesterday and immediately installed Linux Mint. I refuse to give in to the Windows 11 pressure.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Have you tried to refund the Windows license? (Assuming you didn't set it up)

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[-] chameleon@kbin.social 10 points 5 months ago

This list genuinely looks like some of the marketing they had around Win7 times. No joke.

Snap? Yep, advertised feature. Touchscreen stuff? Absolutely! Better search? Yeah, advertised (and it was true in Windows 7!). New app to make movies? They got it. I guess the Win 7 page was missing Widgets. That was a Vista feature instead...

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[-] whygohomie@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah, I've already moved most of machines over to various Linux distro because of Windows bloat, spying, ads, etc. For the one windows box I keep, Ameliorated Windows 10 has been treating me pretty well as it seems to strip out most of the crap that keeps getting grafted on to drive shareholder value or whatever.

[-] kelargo@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago
[-] Moorshou@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago

Not a big Privacy concern, Can you just go turn on recall on the store PC where they sell these?

Privacy Matters

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