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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by merompetehla@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

this never happened before, it's also not happening ion my backup computer (same OS, xubuntu 24.04).

Message: get more security updates through ubuntu pro with esm-apps enabled, learn more about ubuntu pro

How do I get rid of it.

Ubuntu never advertised itself so blatantly.

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[-] yala@discuss.online 48 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] sleepyTonia@programming.dev 45 points 6 months ago

Man... At this point we really should actively be telling people to stay the hell away from Ubuntu. This is some M$Windows levels of sneaky and borderline malicious behavior.

[-] vahtos@programming.dev 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ubuntu/Canonical is the Microsoft of Linux distros. It's no surprise they were the choice for WSL.

Ubuntu has been forcing decisions on users and embedding advertisements for a long time.

Examples that immediately come to mind...

  • When that Amazon search was embedded into the app launcher search.
  • These sorts of self promotions.
  • Quietly installing snaps instead of debs when using apt install
[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

We are tho, like basically every thread about Linux has at least one comment warning people.

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 46 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

How do I get rid of it.

Reinstall Debian... Problem solved, and you get rid of snap as a bonus!

This is the best answer.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 36 points 6 months ago

There is literally not a single useful comment here.

You have packages from outside the official main repo, in the universe repo.

You are using a stable Distribution so packages are frozen and need backported security updates.

You dont get them for the optional universe repos, but if you give them a bit of money (or afaik Ubuntu pro is even free for a few devices) then they will also support these 3rd party packages.

It is an optional service, they warn you that you use outdated packages, and offer a solution.

I dont use Ubuntu and Snaps are crap, but this is totally fine.

[-] yala@discuss.online 8 points 6 months ago

Thank you for some much needed background information (and perhaps even some of Ubuntu's justification)!

There is literally not a single useful comment here.

That's a bit harsh 😜. Though, I agree the 'f*ck-Ubuntu'-circlejerk is very present.

It is an optional service, they warn you that you use outdated packages, and offer a solution.

I guess it's wishful thinking to argue that they should have included the security patches from the get-go.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago

they should have included the security patches from the get-go

I dont know how Ubuntu does that stuff, but universe is community supported only. It is required for many normal packages, so yes you could say their service is not good enough but hey, its free Software.

If you dont pay a cent you have like nothing to complain

[-] yala@discuss.online 3 points 6 months ago

I'm very unfamiliar with Ubuntu, so I apologize for my ignorance. Is universe their AUR, COPR, OBS? I thought that PPAs were Ubuntu's user repository.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago

This is what I dont understand too. No, it is for regular packages, not random 3rd party stuff.

Those are made on Launchpad and available as PPAs, originally meant to be the first step, followed by having them approved to Ubuntus repos.

[-] yala@discuss.online 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So, would it be fair to say that their packages suck and they're desperately fundraising money through ads in hopes of fixing it?

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

No. You are using a stable Distro. This is how stable distros work.

If you want upstream updates for all packages, use a rolling or semi-rolling release like Fedora, Arch, OpenSUSE, Gentoo, etc.

[-] yala@discuss.online 2 points 6 months ago

But Debian does get security updates backported, right? Like, is Ubuntu actively preventing you from getting these?

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago

I dont know how many packages they share but this seems very unrealistic.

Debian and Ubuntu have different release schedukes and package versions.

[-] yala@discuss.online 2 points 6 months ago

True. But Debian Testing and Unstable do exist. Which should be primary candidates for where Ubuntu gets their packages.

[-] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 2 points 6 months ago

If you dont pay a cent you have like nothing to complain

Disagree. Trojans are totally free, and I feel I have plenty to complain about there.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago

What Desktop do you use with your Trojan?

[-] zcd@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago

Wow that's a real douche maneuver

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

sudo apt remove ubuntu-advantage-tools

[-] merompetehla@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

package ubuntu-advantage-tools is not installed, so not removed.

I can however remove ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon, together with apturl: common and apturl software-properties-gtk.

Should I?

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Ah - that's all I had to do to solve it on Ubuntu server 22.04. Maybe desktop is different, maybe 24.04 is different. You can try removing additional packages or following other instructions. I won't post any links here, as I see different possible solutions and haven't tried any other than the one above. Let us know what works.

[-] CosmicApe@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago

Eww that's kinda icky

[-] EddyBot@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 months ago

Ubuntu never advertised itself so blatantly.

Canonical advertising their products has been a thing on Ubuntu server motd for years

[-] thebartermyth@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

iirc it's from ubuntu-advantage-tools - you can remove it, but it's set as a dependent for something important (ubuntu-minimal?) which makes it really annoying. I don't use ubuntu anymore so hopefully someone who knows more will stop by.

As someone who stopped using Ubuntu since 2016 due to Canonical's bullshit, what's this "Ubuntu Pro" nonsense? Is there some premium track or something? If so, that's disgusting and I hate it.

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago

It's extended security updates

What do you mean? As in security updates for old versions that are otherwise completely unsupported? As in, for enterprise users?

[-] oo1@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago

because you chose canonical over debian.

give stock debian a try

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah. I finally switched and learned that what I loved about Ubuntu exists in Debian, without the extra nonsense.

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