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[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 83 points 2 months ago

My friend said to me the other day “why did democrats nominate such a weak candidate?” To which I asked since given the fact that weak and strong are relative terms, can you point out 1 specific aspect where Biden is weaker than his opponent? She had no answer other than “he is just weak”

Don’t let these fuckers gaslight you in thinking the convicted felon with 90+ indictments and a wannabe dictator is somehow stronger than the alternative.

[-] Hegar@kbin.social 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He's a weak candidate because he's a tepid aged rich guy who only loosely reflects what his base wants and is incapable of delivering the level of change the historic moment requires.

He's uninspiring. The US desperately needs large scale institutional change. With how broken those institutions are, that's going to require a groundswell of public support, something that can only be done by an inspiring reform candidate, not an establishment figure.

I'm still voting for him, but I'm (eternally) disappointed in the short sighted cowardice of the democratic party.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

a tepid aged rich guy who only loosely reflects what his base wants and is incapable of delivering the level of change the historic moment requires.

I mean, green energy, student loans, proper actual judges, high-speed rail, decriminalized weed, support for Ukraine, prosecuting trump for at least one of his many many crimes, increased school funding, etc etc and that was with half his term under a batshit republiQan House that can barely not hold up revenge porn in public hearings.

Goddamn, whatever.

[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He’s uninspiring

Such a weird statement to me. Why would anyone expect to be 'inspired' by a politician? They're tools to represent your interests in government. If there's someone running that does that better- vote for them. Really wish people could be more boring and practical about politics. All this emotional sentiment does no one any good.

[-] HereticalDoughnut@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Because he’s the leader of the nation. An essential component of good leadership is the ability to inspire others.

The fact remains that there is no other option which is shameful.

[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A US president is the elected executive and commander-in-chief of a democracy. I get that simple people need to follow 'leaders' but I thank goodness the US was built on the idea that we devote ourselves to institutions and offices, not the people we choose to temporarily occupy them. Inspire yourself to participate in democracy, don't depend on 'leaders' for anything.

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[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Do you think the Maga crowd is not inspired by Trump? Getting people excited is basically the entire purpose of candidates. Obama was amazing at it, Trump is pretty good, and Biden isn't.

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[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

One of the biggest things that the president, and really anyone in a high or noteworthy level of office can wield, is the bully pulpit. Their ability to speak to people and basically be guaranteed that people will listen to what they're saying, even if they get clip-chimped by fox news or the nyt or cnn or whatever. "Inspiration" is something that can drive people to the polls, too. Having a candidate that the majority of the population trusts and can believe in, i.e. is inspiring, is better than having a candidate that isn't those things, broadly. Well, if you agree with their goals, anyways.

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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 24 points 2 months ago

Somebody figured out that a lot of human judgement comes down to groupthink. If you see a bunch of people who are clearly operating guided by some assumptions, then you'll take those assumptions on and start being guided by them, whether the people you saw were real or fake.

Then, a few years ago, it became cheap and easy to flood both social media and news media with restatements of whatever assumptions you want people to pretend that are guided by.

And so, behold: The economy is crashing, which is all Biden's fault, and he's a weak candidate who loves genocide. Everyone's disappointed in him. Everyone knows all these things and sees them all the time. The simple repetition is actually a very solid system for producing the public opinion you want to produce.

At the present moment, they are trying to do it tactically with the "anyone who is disagreeing with me is trying to silence me, in fact they are literally hitting me in the face (also! Note that I'm allowed to disagree with whoever I want)" narrative -- simply repeating it, over and over, in the hopes (probably pretty well founded) that people will start to absorb it and behave the way they want them to behave.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago

At the present moment, they are trying to do it tactically with the “anyone who is disagreeing with me is trying to silence me, in fact they are literally hitting me in the face (also! Note that I’m allowed to disagree with whoever I want)” narrative – simply repeating it, over and over, in the hopes (probably pretty well founded) that people will start to absorb it and behave the way they want them to behave.

Social media is both a blessing and a curse. Depending on context you might think a little of both at any given time.

I hope you do keep engaging with it. The easy thing to do would be to ignore the alarms, but it's not the smartest.

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[-] Bipta@kbin.social 15 points 2 months ago

Public perception and narrative is where Biden is weak. Seeming physically feeble. There's a number of ways. I'm going to vote for him, but don't just yourself. You're sleepwalking towards the grave.

[-] cybersin@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Biden is ancient and incomprehensible in half of his public appearances. Not saying Trump isn't, but his people love his crazy rambling.

It is not unreasonable for people to be disappointed. They are being forced to choose between two dementia riddled candidates. The only people who truly think Trump would be the better alternative are dumbass "centrists" and conservatives.

Yes, lesser evil voting is good, but you can't shame people for not smiling while smelling shit.

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[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The question isn't whether or not he is weaker than the other candidate. The question was, would a better Democratic candidate have stood a better chance? I think you're misrepresenting what your friend had said.

It's actually kind of rude how you're depicting them right now, as some sort of buffoon.

[-] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah they seem like a bad friend, probably very off-putting irl

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

This does need to be the go-to response to anyone saying shit like that: "How is Trump stronger?" Force them to admit they have no frame of reference.

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[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Which angle am I supposed to read this from? That Biden's critics are being duplicitous, or that Biden's supporters are being repressive?

[-] pitaya@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago

Based on OP's post history, it's meant to be against Batman (and Biden) here. Post has the opposite effect though lol

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 points 2 months ago

I for real saw it and thought, yes, that is 100% the correct response at this point 😃. I mean I don't think extensive criticism is the same as hitting them in the face, but metaphorically speaking, yes, it sounds good.

When there have been 2-3 extensive discussions on your viewpoint, then okay sure, that's your free speech and we are here for political discussion whether or not I agree with it.

Once it reaches 20 or 30 times and you're still doing it multiple times per day every single day from multiple accounts and totally unresponsive to people pointing out every time objective flaws in it, I think we can start hitting you in the face as soon as you start.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I gotta be honest, I seriously had a lot of support for Batman when I first saw it 🙂.

I mean the whole premise is hilarious. Disagreeing with them is not the same as hitting them in the face, obviously, and of course they're not planning on stopping disagreeing with anyone around them or yelling their viewpoint at people who don't want to hear it. It's the standard conservative tactic of "how DARE you do back to me a lesser version of what I did to you, actually specifically in response to me doing it to you, that's literally oppression so unreasonable and I'm a total victim now and how dare you."

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

No, no, I've been assured archomrade is just SO far left that they can't help but proudly repeat fascist talking points all day, every day!

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 11 points 2 months ago

Everyone knows the best way for the left to make progress is:

  • Pick the leftmost candidate who has any chance of winning the election and talk shit about them relentlessly
  • Spend 0 energy promoting any other left-helpful causes
  • Claim with no evidence that anyone who does supports that leftmost candidate is making a terrible mistake because that must mean they oppose the idea of any other left-helpful causes, even though (a) that makes no sense and is generally the opposite of how it works (b) they all keep telling you repeatedly that they actually do support left-helpful causes, and generally are very supportive of them whether or not the candidate is involved

This stuff is literally the first thing they teach you in Left School.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Clearly, I’m So Communist Bro that I talk endless shit about the more socialist candidates - ones who support LGBT causes, Unions, environmental regulations, clean energy, consumer friendly financial regulations - HATE THEM and will always say Id NEVER VOTE FOR THEM because they’re not good enough. Meanwhile, not say a single bad word about the fascist party in the US, just keep trying to discourage people from voting for the other party. Specifically, the Democrat candidate is not good a an issue where the Republican would be even worse, so I can’t vote for them despite that they’re way better on everything else. That makes sense, right?

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[-] archomrade@midwest.social 5 points 2 months ago

Choose your own adventure!

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

I know it's good in this instance that Biden is likely to win because he can out spend the orange one, but I still find it crazy that your politics is just about who has the deepest pockets. Spending limits are a thing for a reason.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

It's not. In 2016 Bloomberg outspent the other candidates by orders of ten and still lost horribly. Bernie raised funds from his electoral base and came to be a close contender to Clinton. You just can't fix shit personality with money.

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[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago

I sort of don’t have problems with Biden.

Biden is the most liberal President that the Democratic Party has allowed to become president since Jimmy Carter. And that’s cool.

But after 40+ years of both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party getting on their knees to give the sloppiest, messiest blowjobs for corporate America, the Republican Party lacks the ability to govern, and the Democratic Party lacks the ability to lead, and neither have any intention of doing anything to benefit U.S. citizens unless it either benefits the wealthy most or is needed to improve their chances of reelection.

I feel like this messaging is reductive and stupid. The problem is not people being anti-Biden. The problem is a broken-ass system and political parties that hope we don’t realize it.
The exceptionally stupid thing is that Republicans want to tear the system down and take it over, and the Democratic Party seems to think that is a cute point to campaign on, rather than an existential fucking crisis that they aren’t taking seriously because they’re afraid if they pull that corporate dick out their mouth and start actually embracing the will of the people that they won’t have the funds to campaign.

But anyway, Grampa Joe is fine.

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 11 points 2 months ago

Honestly, best case scenario is that the Dems get a big enough win that the GoP tears themselves apart trying to pin the blame, and ends up collapsing. Then the Democrat party splits due to some seeing a void, and the US gets a hard shift left with the new right wing party being only marginally more right wing than the Democrat party is now

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 months ago

My dream scenario was first enough states passing the interstate voting compact by ballot initiative to bring it into effect, immediately followed by adoption of preference voting systems, campaign finance reform, universal mail in voting and electoral holidays.

But like, I think tribalism and the entrenched systems that benefit from this system would topple the U.S. into autocracy before people could unify enough to make even a fraction of the above happen.
Notwithstanding, there is currently both massive internal and external pressure to push the U.S. to that point regardless of what is happening, so we’re pretty much fucked six ways from Sunday.

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[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd have the same response to "If the Cowboys want to win this year..." if I gave two shits about football.

At best it's just mindless armchair politics. Nobody cares what you think Biden 'should do'. If it's not obvious to you that he's the best option you can stfu and vote Trump.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago

Too bad the cowboys don't need their fans on the field in order to win

[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They need their fans in order to exist. But to no one's surprise you missed the point entirely.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

It's every day with this one.

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