221
In April Rusich posted a video on its Telegram channel of a Ukrainian prisoner being beheaded with a knife. Its leaders have also filmed themselves killing puppies.
they fucking know they're the bad guys, ugh
I hope the rest of their lives are short and miserable
Hilarious that there are still people accusing the Ukrainians of being neo-Nazis.
Some ukranians are neo-nazis, also some in the military. Just like in Russia.
There are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, just as there are in Canada, France, the US, or Australia. But the entire Putin regime is authoritarian, reactionary, genocidal, and thoroughly corrupt — which we could sum up by saying "fascist".
Not quite like though, right?
The Russia battalions are explicitly ideologically neo-Nazis and are embraced by Russia and Putin. They don’t mind neo-Nazis; in fact they positively like them! (Which makes the “de-Nazification” casus belli even sillier but that’s neither here nor there.)
The Ukrainian neo-Nazis have never been the majority of their battalion, the battalion has never explicitly been neo-Nazi, the state and the battalion itself have repeatedly rejected Nazism, and reports now are fairly conflicting about how many neo-Nazis remain in its ranks.
So pretty different overall.
Neo-nazis are a curse that is all over the world in many countries. In fact, I challenge Russia to invade the US to get rid of ours. Hell, by their logic, they should be invading much the world. Even themselves?
Now, back to relevancy with additional information: The Azov Brigade in Ukraine did have a high concentration of far right-wing and neo-nazis. (They utilize symbols that are associated with the German SS; some are no longer used but you will still see them from time to time) However, they have been a pain in the ass for Russia since the Donbass conflicts started which is nice. As part of a deal with Ukraine, the Azovs ultimately down-sized and began to reject much of the extremest ideology to become a more formalized political group in Ukraine. That didn't stop Russia from spreading more propaganda though. Russia needed to degrade support for the Azov group because they were quite effective in battle and needed to fight them in any way possible. (More info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade)
Quick note: Russia still spreads fake videos of the Azov Brigade in formation giving Nazi salutes and such. I am not saying that doesn't happen still, but most of the videos you find "proving" Ukraine is still Nazi are fake. Nazis are still going to Nazi, unfortunately.
Some things Nazis did:
- Invading other countries
- Genocide
- Putting dissenters in prison camps
- Murdering party members who don't fall 100% in line
- Murdering gay and trans people
- Fake elections rigged to "elect" a dictator
Curiously, this looks like things the Putin regime does, too.
Yep. Propaganda is a bitch. It's super easy to accuse others of things that you do as a distraction for the general population and tends to be popular in right-wing groups.
Good points! Even if all of Russia’s propaganda is true though, it still doesn’t change the fact that they themselves have and are enthusiastically embracing their own neo-Nazis. So invading another country to de-Nazify it is a pretty ridiculous claim. Especially since they’re using Nazis to do it.
Speaking of Russian Nazis, Dimitri Utkin (the Wagner dude) was supposedly part of that bunch.
Has this picture been validated as authentic yet? (Note the tattoos):
Sure. I did not mean to say the extend of them is equal in both countries. Just that neo-Nazism exists in both countries, and we are being blind if we simply ignore that it is a problem in Ukraine and their military.
Ahhhh, the old "both sides" argument...let me drink it 8n.
Yeah, that's the good stuff.
Now do "whataboutism"!!!!
Oh, there is no doubt Russia is much worse in the fascist regard. What I mean is we are beeing ignorant if we turn a blind to neo-Nazism also beeing a problem in Ukraine.
Especially when we are considering Ukraine joining NATO in the future. We need them to get rid of those parts of the military first.
Neo-nazi's are almost everywhere in the world. Might as well bring that up too.
There are nazis everywhere. But people buying into the initial russian propaganda, that they were invading to stop nazis in Ukraine, forget that in russian newspeak "nazi" is anyone opposing russian interests. We laugh when they talk about "Jewish Nazis", but translated from russian newspeak this is not as contradictory.
so is russia going to invade itself to deal with nazis
this post was submitted on 26 Aug 2023
221 points (97.8% liked)
World News
39041 readers
2505 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS