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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

And even if the Jews were to win the war, its end would find the unique possibilities and the unique achievements of Zionism in Palestine destroyed. The land that would come into being would be something quite other than the dream of world Jewry, Zionist and non-Zionist. The ‘victorious’ Jews would live surrounded by an entirely hostile Arab population, secluded into ever-threatened borders, absorbed with physical self-defense to a degree that would submerge all other interests and acitvities. The growth of a Jewish culture would cease to be the concern of the whole people; social experiments would have to be discarded as impractical luxuries; political thought would center around military strategy…. And all this would be the fate of a nation that — no matter how many immigrants it could still absorb and how far it extended its boundaries (the whole of Palestine and Transjordan is the insane Revisionist demand)–would still remain a very small people greatly outnumbered by hostile neighbors.

Under such circumstances… the Palestinian Jews would degenerate into one of those small warrior tribes about whose possibilities and importance history has amply informed us since the days of Sparta. Their relations with world Jewry would become problematical, since their defense interests might clash at any moment with those of other countries where large number of Jews lived. Palestine Jewry would eventually separate itself from the larger body of world Jewry and in its isolation develop into an entirely new people. Thus it becomes plain that at this moment and under present circumstances a Jewish state can only be erected at the price of the Jewish homeland…

  • Hannah Arendt, 1948
[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

It should be noted, that they want that isolation- and they also want people to hate ashkenazi Jews so that maybe they “come home”.

Nothing breeds internal unity like external threats. Cults- and the vast majority of religions use this all the time, to scare people into not leaving.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Amazing that people saw this coming so long ago actually. Although they're currently on reasonably good terms with Egypt.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Their relations with world Jewry would become problematical, since their defense interests might clash at any moment with those of other countries where large number of Jews lived. Palestine Jewry would eventually separate itself from the larger body of world Jewry and in its isolation develop into an entirely new people.

Is that really notable today? I'd like to read some sources on that. It seems the diaspora keeps supporting them. For example, the big donors who threatened to stop funding USA universities if they don't censor the protests.
In EU, I also frequently read about organizations against anti-Semitism amalgamate pro-Palestinian sentiments with anti-Semitism.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago
[-] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 5 months ago

Thank you, I'll read it.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

Spicy as OP’s post is, I’m really grateful that Lemmy is hosting this kind of discussion and debate with (broadly) level heads and good faith, making well reasoned arguments.

Thank you especially to the moderators for weeding out the few trolls and bad actors, and to all of you people for being chill - it’s a refreshing pleasure compared to the former place.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 7 points 5 months ago

I’m really grateful that Lemmy is hosting this kind of discussion and debate with (broadly) level heads and good faith, making well reasoned arguments.

Lemmy.world maybe, on the more leftists instances you will get dog pilled, personal attacked, threatened of violence and eventually censored and banned by moderation if you dare trigger discussion instead of being a yes-man on this kind of topic.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Which instances are more left?

[-] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Lemmygrad, hexbear and Lemmy.ml for the ones I know.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 5 months ago

spicy but true

[-] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 5 months ago

What do anti-imperialist Jew think should be done of Israel now? Any trustworthy reading about it?

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 5 months ago

Herzl's Mauschel and Zionist antisemitism

An insane document from the founder of Zionism.

this post was submitted on 28 Apr 2024
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