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RFK Jr. candidacy hurts Trump more than Biden, NBC News poll finds (www.nbcnews.com)

submitted 6 months ago by ZeroCool@slrpnk.net to c/politics@lemmy.world

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 122 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I thought this was common knowledge months ago. Didn't Fox news even discover this shorty after they started pushing RFK Jr? I never understood why conservative media kept the RKF Jr train going after that was known.

Edit to add:

This also seems like a giant misunderstanding from the conservative side. They worship a name instead of ideology. The liberal side worships the ideology, irrespective of the name. Conservatives thought liberals would tie themselves to RFK Jr because thats what conservatives would do in the place of liberals. Whoops!

[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 49 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I thought this was common knowledge months ago.

It was, at least among people who don't get all their information from Fox News, Breitbart or random neo-nazis on Twitter lol, but we don't stop election polling just because one poll was already conducted months ago.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think the right is trying to push him back into the left as a Biden alternative now that Biden is a lot more unpopular than the last time they tried.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 56 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You're supporting my point about conservatives loving a name (and thinking liberals do too), instead of an ideology. Putting his batshit craziness aside for a moment, when I look at RFK Jrs policy positions, he's not a liberal. Why do conservatives think liberals would vote for a conservative?

His policies appear to be:

anti climate change initiatives
anti vaccination (even for things like measles!)
believes abortion is a tragedy, but said he'd allow it
thinks US support of Ukraine is a mistake, and thinks diplomacy would solve it instead (Has he not read the Budapest Memorandum?)
backs Texas's actions at the southern border
wants to make government backed 3% mortgages, but doesn't talk about where the money would come from or where all the new housing would either

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Its crazy to think that comparing to RFK Jr, George W Bush is more liberal.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Because other polls show him eating into Biden more. That’s why they were pushing him.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I never understood why conservative media kept the RKF Jr train going after that was known.

It makes for an excellent grift.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Of whom? Certainly not liberals.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

No. But they're hardly the only people in America worth grifting.

Lots of smug Radical Centrists who can get suckered in with a No Labels party.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I had to look up what a "Radical Centrist" was.

According to Wikipedia:

"The radical in the term refers to a willingness on the part of most radical centrists to call for fundamental reform of institutions.[1] The centrism refers to a belief that genuine solutions require realism and pragmatism, not just idealism and emotion.[2]"

I guess I would fit that definition, but nothing about RFK Jr is realistic or pragmatic. C'mon, him being anti-vax, and anti climate change fixes? What about that is realistic or pragmatic?

[–] leadore@kbin.social 59 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Even without a poll, it's common sense that he would appeal to Trump voters more. He's an anti-vax conspiracy theorist. And don't forget that for some reason, they love the Kennedy name. Remember how they were waiting around in Dallas for JFK Jr (and Sr, even!) to show up?

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It was actually the anti-vax thing that has me a little worried about his ability to pull some lefties, too. We've got that kinda crazy on our side of the aisle, too. It's just flavored a little differently. Instead of being worried about mind-control chips or fetal tissue, the left is still hung up on unfounded worries about autism or GMOs.

[–] Shaggy1050@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Sadly I I think you're right. I too know quite a few people who lean left that get caught up in the whole 'GMOs and vaccines are bad' camp.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

GMOs can be worrying if they are not properly researched and regulated. As a form of capitalist control GMOs are very worrying.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

has me a little worried about his ability to pull some lefties, too

Perhaps the "Joe Rogan" style of Lefty. But I wouldn't worry about RFK Jr signs showing up outside the newly unionized Tennessee VW auto plant.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Maybe now, but JFK barely won the popular vote. Far from a republican favorite at the time.

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 46 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Destroy First Past The Post voting before it destroys the nation.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Republicans love it because it's why they win. Democrats love it because they never have to be better as long as they can threaten us with Republicans.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The fact that the conventional wisdom portrays Kennedy as a bigger threat to Biden than to Trump is nearly as insane as Kennedy himself. Literally the only thing about him that appeals to Democrats is his last name, whereas on virtually all policy issues he's aligned with the loony fringe right.

(Mind you, I ultimately think he's going to be largely irrelevant to both sides - I think the conventional wisdom also wants to make him a big deal period because the media's obsessed with having third-party candidates matter.)

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah they keep saying on the news that the Kennedy name has a large pull with young democratic voters and that it just flat out wrong lol. None of the young voters were even alive when the good Kennedy was president and they were too young or still not born when the others were in office so idk where they got that shit from. Just older people in charge of writing the news I guess.

[–] Bremmy@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No shit. It was only right wingers who, for some reason, thought Democrats liked that nut bag even though he's one of the crazies

[–] frezik@midwest.social 14 points 6 months ago

My working theory is that they assume Democrats are as attached to names as they are. The Kennedy name holds a lot of weight among Democrats, and therefore, Democrats will flock to anyone named Kennedy.

Their whole thing is about setting up symmetries that don't exist. They would cheat the election, and therefore, Democrats also would.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago

Huge tinfoil hat, anti-vaccine, anti-science. Who would have guessed...

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lol nice

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Given that Trump is currently leading, its not great. RFK Jr dropping out just means things get worse for Biden.

Also looking gnarly downticket, as all those swing house and senate seats are worse on paper than even the top-line Presidential numbers would have them appear.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The latest national NBC News poll shows the third-party vote — and especially independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — cutting deeper into former President Donald Trump’s support than President Joe Biden’s, though the movement the other candidates create is within the poll’s margin of error.

The big reason why is that the poll finds a greater share of Trump voters in the head-to-head matchup backing Kennedy in the expanded ballot.

This finding, however, contrasts with the conventional political wisdom — as well as the results of other national polls — suggesting that a bigger third-party vote hurts Biden more.

The NBC News poll results on Kennedy’s impact are “different than other surveys,” said McInturff, the GOP pollster.

Most recently, Biden held an event Thursday with members of the Kennedy family who are endorsing the president over their relative.

Overall, the party is paying much closer attention to Kennedy than it has to past third-party candidates, mobilizing new super PACs and an arm of the Democratic National Committee focused on reducing the pull of his candidacy.

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[–] teft@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The NBC News poll was conducted April 12-16 of 1,000 registered voters nationwide — 891 contacted via cell phone.

and the poll has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Did you have a point? That's a standard sample size for polls.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (20 children)

1000 people with 89% contacted via cell phone isn't going to be representative of the US voting population. How many people do you know under 45 that answer random numbers?

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 9 points 6 months ago

I mean, it's better than them using land lines like they used to. And, if they did it properly, then their calls should have caller ID saying it's the polling service. Also, they should leave a message to get called back.

I don't know if they did any of that, but it would be the right way to do it.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can thank boomers for effectively destroying phone calls as a form of telecommunication

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Man, what a weird thing to blame on a specific Boogeyman generation.

Pretty sure there were/are other people besides boomers involved in spam calls, creating text message systems, and other things that have led to a decline in voice calls.

Might as well blame them for literally everything that happened after the 1960s when they became adults.

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[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Goddamned Monkey's Paw to Qanon.

They wanted JFK. They might get "but we have Kennedy at home."

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

what a stupid fucking game

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Less insanity on the side that doesnt reject science and reason

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