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[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 70 points 6 months ago

AI is going to destroy art the same way Photoshop, or photography, or pre-made tubes of paints, destroyed art. It's a tool, it helps people take the idea in their head and put it in the world. And it lowers the barrier to entry, now you don't need years of practice in drawing technique to bring your ideas to life, you just need ideas.

If AI gets to a point that it can give us creative, original, art that sparks emotion in novel ways...well we probably also made a super intelligent AI and our list of problems is much different than today.

[-] xthexder@l.sw0.com 38 points 6 months ago

As someone who's absolutely terrible at drawing, but enjoys photography and generally creativity, having AI tools to generate my own art is opening up a whole different avenue for me to scratch my creative itch.
I've got a technical background, so figuring out the tools and modifying them for my purposes has been a lot more fun than practice drawing.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

This is the perfect use case.

Photoshop didn't destroy jobs forever, all it did was shift how people worked AND actually created work and different types of work.

[-] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

I've only dabbled a bit with ML art, and I am by no means an artist, but it doesn't scratch that itch for me the same way that drawing or doing stuff in blender does. It doesn't really feel like I'm watching my vision slowly take shape, no matter how precise I make the prompt. It kinda just feels like what it is, a transformer iterating over some random noise.

I'm also a very technical person, and for years I was stuck in that same mindset of "I'm a technical guy, I'm not cut out for art". I was only able to get out of this slump thanks to some of my art friends, who were really helpful in pointing me in the right direction.

Learning to draw isn't the easiest thing in the world, and trust me I'm probably as bad at it as you are, but it's fun, and it feels satisfying.

I agree that AI has a place as another artistic medium, but I also feel like it can become a trap for people like me who think they don't have an artistic bone in their body.

If you do feel like getting back into drawing, then as a fellow technical person I'd recommend learning blender first. It taught me some of the skills I also use in drawing, like perspective, shading, and splitting complex objects into simpler shapes. It's also just plain fun.

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[-] braxy29@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

i like the idea of AI as a tool artists can use, but that's not a capitalist's viewpoint, unfortunately. they will try to replace people.

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[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 58 points 6 months ago

Tech bros are not really techie themselves as they are really just Wall Street bros with tech as their product. Most claim they can code, but if they were coders they would be coding. They are not coders, they are businessmen through and through.who just happen to sell tech.

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 21 points 6 months ago

This is 100% correct. It can overlap but honestly as someone going into embedded systems I despise tech bros.

[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago

Most claim they can code, but if they were coders they would be coding

I dislike techbros as much as you, but this isn't really a valid statement.

I can code, but I can't sell a crypto scam to millions of rubes.

If I could, why would I waste my time writing code?

Many techbros are likely "good enough" coders who have better marketing skills and used their tech knowledge to leverage into business instead.

[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

That is the thing though. The real talented tech people tend to be more in the weeds of the tech and get great enjoyment from that. The “tech bros” are more into groups, people, social structures, manipulation, controlling and such and would go crossed eyed if they really had to code something complex as they could never sit that long and concentrate. These are not these same people. Tech bros want you to think they are tech gurus as that is their brand, but it is a lie.

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[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

I work in AI. LLM's are cool and all, but I think it's all mostly hype at this stage. While some jobs will be lost (voice work, content creation) my true belief is that we'll see two increases:

  1. The release of productivity tools that use LLM's to help automate or guide menial tasks.

  2. The failure of businesses that try to replicate skilled labour using AI.

In order to stop point two, I would love to see people and lawmakers really crack down on AI replacing jobs, and regulating the process of replacing job roles with AI until they can sufficiently replace a person. If, for example, someone cracks self-driving vehicles then it should be the responsibility of owning companies and the government to provide training and compensation to allow everyone being "replaced" to find new work. This isn't just to stop people from suffering, but to stop the idiot companies that'll sack their entire HR department, automate it via AI, and then get sued into oblivion because it discriminated against someone.

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I've also heard it's true that as far as we can figure, we've basically reached the limit on certain aspects of LLMs already. Basically, LLMs need a FUCK ton of data to be good. And we've already pumped them full of the entire internet so all we can do now is marginally improve these algorithms that we barely understand how they work. Think about that, the entire Internet isnt enough to successfully train LLMs.

LLMs have taken some jobs already (like audio transcription, basic copyediting, and aspects of programming), we're just waiting for the industries to catch up. But we'll need to wait for a paradigm shift before they start producing pictures and books or doing complex technical jobs with few enough hallucinations that we can successfully replace people.

[-] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

The (really, really, really) big problem with the internet is that so much of it is garbage data. The number of false and misleading claims spread endlessly on the internet is huge. To rule those beliefs out of the data set, you need something that can grasp the nuances of published, peer-reviewed data that is deliberately misleading propaganda, and fringe conspiracy nuts that believe the Earth is controlled by lizards with planes, and only a spritz bottle full of vinegar can defeat them, and everything in between.

There is no person, book, journal, website, newspaper, university, or government that has reliably produced good, consistent help on questions of science, religion, popular lies, unpopular truths, programming, human behavior, economic models, and many, many other things that continuously have an influence on our understanding of the world.

We can't build an LLM that won't consistently be wrong until we can stop being consistently wrong.

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[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

I think approximation is the right word here. It’s pretty cool and all and I’m looking forward how it will develop. But it’s mostly a fun toy.

I’m stoked for the moment the tech bros understand, that an AI is way better at doing their job than it is at creating art.

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

tech bros jobs is to wrote bad javascript and fall for scam, this AI already beaten

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 26 points 6 months ago

There are plenty of things you can shit on AI art for

But it is neither badly approximately, nor can a student produce such work in less than a minute.

This feels like the other end of the extreme of the tech bros

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 24 points 6 months ago

I just love the idjits who think not showing empathy to people AI bros are trying to put out of work will save them when the algorithms come for their jobs next

When LeopardsEatingFaces becomes your economic philosophy

[-] Wanderer@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago

Art itself isn't useless it's just incredibly replicable. There is so much good art out there that people don't need to consume crap.

It's like saying there is no money in being a footballer. Of course there is loads of money in being a footballer. But most people that play football don't make any money.

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[-] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Billions were spent inventing and producing the calculator device.

Human calculators are now extinct.

Complex calculations are far more accessible.

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

That's a pretty shit take. Humankind spent nearly 12 thousand years figuring out the combustion engine. It took 1 million years to figure farming. Compared to that, less than 500 years to create general intelligence will be a blip in time.

[-] braxy29@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago

i think you're missing the point, which i took as this - what arts and humanities folks do is valuable (as evidenced by efforts to recreate it) despite common narratives to the contrary.

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[-] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 17 points 6 months ago

I propose that we treat AI as ancillas, companions, muses, or partners in creation and understanding our place in the cosmos.

While there are pitfalls in treating the current generation of LLMs and GANas sentient, or any AI for that matter, there will be one day where we must admit that an artificial intelligence is self-aware and sentient.

To me, the fundamental question about AI, that will reveal much about humanity, is philosophical as much as it is technical: if a being that is artificially created, has intelligence, and is functionally self-aware and sentient, does it have natural rights?

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[-] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 months ago

Turing Incompleteness is a pathway to many powers the Computer Scientists would consider incalculable.

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[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Honestly people are trying to desperately to automate physical labor to. The problem is the machines don't understand the context of their work which can cause problems. All the work of AI is a result of trying to make a machine that can. The art and humanities is more a side project

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[-] crawancon@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

they're misunderstanding the reasoning for spending billions.

the reason to spend all the money to approximate is so we can remove arts and humanities majors altogether.. after enough approximation yield similar results to present day chess programs which regularly now beat humans and grand masters. their vocation is doomed to the niche, like most of humanity, eventually.

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago

Imagine seeing writing and art as purely functional activities.

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