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The Vatican on Monday declared gender-affirming surgery and surrogacy as grave violations of human dignity, putting them on par with abortion and euthanasia as practices that reject God’s plan for human life.

The Vatican’s doctrine office issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration that has been in the works for five years. After substantial revision in recent months, it was approved March 25 by Pope Francis, who ordered its publication.

In its most eagerly anticipated section, the Vatican repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed. It said God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and said people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”

“It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception,” the document said.

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[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Ok boomer. If trans people want to "make themselves God", I support that. Whatever that is supposed to mean anyway.

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the Vatican threatens my unique dignity. It is so declared.

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The social engineering once forced upon the masses to increase slave production is finally coming close to irrelevance

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

So glad they're only blasting it and not slamming it.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think offloading one's morality to a patriarchal power-hungry cartel is an embarrassment to human dignity, but you know what I do about it?

Let people live the one life they have in whatever way they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

It's not anyone else's job to force their idea of dignity on people, but I guess the Catholic Church isn't known to stop their clergy from being forced onto unwilling targets.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”

How fortunate it is that every single one of is sins and can all be forgiven, so we can just leave worrying about all that up to God, right? Right?

Or some shit. I'm an atheist, but I understand the myth better than most believers. Not that it matters because there is no logic or consistency anywhere in the doctrine, so why assume there is any in this edict?

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

god made light so why aren’t light bulbs playing god?

[–] Chestrade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But touching little kids was definitely part of the plan.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

Touching kids is their only plan.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't Eve created from a man's rib as an afterthought?

[–] yannic@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There are two creation narratives in the book of Genesis, and both are considered to be historical allegories.

[–] Willie@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can we really handwave away the whole Adam and Eve thing though?

If we do, then what did Jesus die for?

[–] Lath@kbin.earth 1 points 1 year ago

The original sin. Which in most myths is acquiring knowledge or attaining sentience.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If we do, then what did Jesus die for?

The new motto for Vegas -- if you don't enjoy yourself, he died for nothing.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

both are considered to be historical allegories.

How convenient that the "word of god" (as many churches describe the bible) is so open to human interpretation.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

But the ability to interpret it is also flexible.... Sometimes it's to be taking verbatim, sometimes it has to be interpreted (but only by the right people, of course)

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

God is dead, popey boi, keep your culty ideas to yourself

something something yin and yang. Be a little based, gotta be a little unbased.

Balances out the universal gravitational whats its doohickeys or something.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is barely news; the headline might as well be 'Hate group hates'. But jeez, I giggled at the start of the fourth paragraph with, "In its most eagerly anticipated section…" Even among Christians, even among very-very-Christians, is there anyone who "eagerly anticipates" the Vatican's declarations of doctrine?

[–] esc27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If "God created man and woman as biologically different" then who created all the different intersex people? Even if you ignore or dismiss trans people, there are other people whose sexual characteristics at birth were not so easily sorted into male or female, and others whose physical traits either don't align with the basic understanding of "sex" chromosomes or whose chromosomes are different than XX and XY.

Logically, if God exists, then either their statement is wrong and He does make people whose gender is indeterminate, or there is another god who is also making people. Or perhaps He is not that involved in the process, and "God's Plan" is more of a loose framework.

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[–] BlackNo1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

can we just blow up the vatican

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That doesn't sound fair to Italy. I am sure Italy has enough issues without random debris raining down on her.

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