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[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Is anyone else annoyed by the advice that young people should give up hope of paying their own mortgage for their own home in favor of paying their landlord's mortgage via rent? "People need to shift the idea that to be successful you have to own a home. It’s just not going to be in the cards for some people, and they’re in a worse position for trying to own a house,” she said."

I say that instead of telling young people to give up on goals we should, as a nation, protect owning a home as if it was a basic necessity and do something about large %'s of homes/condos being owned by investors. It was possible to buy a home on a single income just a few generations ago. I'm sure it can be again if we make housing security a priority.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 months ago

I'm in the process of buying my first house, and I'm pretty sure I'm putting more down than my parents paid for their whole first home.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago

I bought in 2019 and my down payment was half of what the house originally sold for in 2009. We're all fucked.

[-] ChillPill@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Then they go on to say that home ownership is one of the primary forms of wealth accumulation in Canada like two sentences later. If you read between the lines a bit, the implication is that younger generations will have to work until they are in the grave.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Not too long ago, the tradeoff of renting was that it was cheaper, you didn't have to care about repairs (in theory) and could take the money you saved to invest.

The rental market is so outrageously out of whack that it is no longer the case. If you don't own your home, you're paying for someone else's mortgage, while not having the benefit of paying less to invest more. And that's not even broaching the subject of slumlords and overall bad landlords.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 months ago

It's like the story of a Vancouver woman who lived in an apartment in English Bay. She was a server when she moved there 10 years ago, and had no issue affording it. Over the years she got settled, went to school while working and became a lawyer.

She eventually had to move out of the same apartment as it was no longer affordable, despite becoming a lawyer and earning significantly more money.

If she can't keep pace with inflation going from a server to a lawyer, not sure what hope the rest of us would have.

[-] John_McMurray@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was making about 110,000 a year and gtfo of Vancouver in 2018. Saved way more money a year making 65-70 in south Alberta/Saskatchewan and now own my home outright.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 months ago

As a young person, I love living astronomically.

Nice job with the headline quote, BNN Bloomberg writer.

[-] suction@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Most of Europe rents, even people who make 6 figures and live in big cities…there’s absolutely no stigma attached to renting, in contrary people who decided to get a 35 year mortgage for an overpriced house (which often isn’t even a single house but a semi or a house with 3 ft of land around it) to live on the outskirts among conservative simpletons are thought of as suckers… It helps though that in the EU renters have rights and landlords are extremely limited in terms of raises or contract changes.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

I've seen European Redditors say that European rental apartments tend to have better layouts and separation between units.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Probably better sound proofed too as they were built as multi units from the start instead of being a regular house renovated into apartments.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

That's what I was trying to get at with "separation".

There's nothing like since pax europa chad wandering into a Canadian housing discussion.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Apparently something to do with how stairwells are placed.

[-] downpunxx@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago

the issue with renting over buying, is that you have to keep paying rent until the day you die, whereas home ownership, purchased when one is in their youth, is paid off, and an asset when you grow older, one from which one can derive both the security of a dwelling as well as in real tangible asset to either sell or borrow against should the need arise. that's why it's considered living in poverty to rent, it's the lack of real asset.

[-] doylio@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago

This is a bit of a fallacy. In a normal market, the rent for a home is less than the costs of home ownership (mortgage + maintenance + taxes) and that saved money can be used to purchase other assets.

Until the real estate mania of the last few years, if you followed this strategy, you would not be any worse off than the person who bought their home.

I personally would much rather have equity in more fungible assets than a home. Owning a home ties you to a specific location, and can't easily be sold in an emergency. Plus it's not a very diverse portfolio if most of you wealth is in a single property

[-] suction@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you can find such an asset for a fair price, then it might be a good investment, but that’s like hitting the lottery at the end of a bubble. There’s no guarantee your asset will rise in value or even just stay the same. It also depends on one’s financial situation. I pay about 15% of my net income on rent for nice flat in a modern building from 2021. If I could have the same living standard with a mortgaged asset for the same 15% of my net monthly income, I would consider buying, but it’s impossible even if I’d put down 25% cash upfront. House prices are crazy in Europe, I heard it’s due to all kinds of shady organisations like the Russian Mafia parking and washing their money here.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago

...and that the rental price isn't 90% of the mortgage payment.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

90%?

Oh my sweet summer child, rent is normally 150% of the mortgage.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Only individuals should be able to buy and own residential property. Not corporations, not numbered companies, just people. They can rent them out, etc but don't get the same protections of corporations. It becomes personal at that point. Banks generally will finance about 20 properties this way before they decide the liability becomes too much. This protects small landlords still, but gets all the big money out.

Then the rental market will price itself fairly based off of that and keep the rental market in check, but when the corporations own both sides of the coin they set the price.

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Many of our MPs are landlords themselves, which may influence how... reactive they are to the issue https://www.landlordmps.ca/data-analysis

Our economy is over-reliant on housing as an investment in general, so getting people to do anything about it is hard to begin with https://www.oecd.org/housing/policy-toolkit/country-snapshots/housing-policy-canada.pdf

It's not looking good. We're in so deep already. A lot of people will lose their homes either way.

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[-] a9249@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

multiple degrees. established in my industry. "well paid" among my peers.... Renovicition means I'm living with my parents in my 30's. This is madness.

[-] rab@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Exact same situation. 29 making over six figures and renoviction means back to my parents or sleeping on the street

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

As someone making roughly half of 100k per year. I can afford my small apartment, to shop wisely for food, and carpool to work and with that I manage to save 1000 or more a month. I don't know the specifics of your situation but you should still be able to live on your own with a 100k salary.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

It entirely depends on where you live.

Out in the sticks where the opportunities are few, the cost of living is way lower.

[-] rab@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

I live in Victoria

[-] rab@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Canada has become such a shithole and I can't wait to get out

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

If you're young, pretty much everywhere is a shit hole nowadays.

[-] rab@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pretty much except Iceland and Finland

PS if you're younger than 31 you can get the youth mobility visa to work in Iceland, that started only a few months ago, which is what I'm planning on utilizing

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Only open to so many applicants per year, so hopefully you get in. Happiest rating, but also somehow most murders...maybe those correlate

[-] rab@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Iceland... Murders? No lol

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[-] exanime@lemmy.today 8 points 2 months ago

...and go where exactly?

Things are not easy here but unless you are buying into the Conservative narrative that even the bad weather is Trudeau's fault, "getting out" is not really a better option...

[-] rab@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Iceland via youth mobility visa

Alternately my sister in law lives in Finland so have a couple different options

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Wow you’re lucky! One of the few countries that treat people well.

[-] rab@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well I haven't been accepted yet but fingers crossed! They are still processing visas from summer 2023 so I won't know for quite a while

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[-] downpunxx@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

beautiful broke babies with backpacks, care to trip the light insolvent, have you ever lived ........ astronomically

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