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Home prices across China are falling, developers have gone bust and people are doubting whether real estate will ever be a viable investment again. The meltdown is dragging down growth and spooking investors worldwide.

Under the new strategy, the Communist Party would take over a larger share of the market, which for years has been dominated by the private sector.

Underpinning it are two major programs, according to policy advisers involved in the discussions and recent government announcements.

One involves the state buying up distressed private-market projects and converting them into homes that the government would rent out or, in some cases, sell.

The other calls for the state itself to build more subsidized housing for low- and middle-income families.

The goal, the policy advisers say, is to increase the share of housing built by the state for low-cost rental or sale under restricted conditions to at least 30% of China’s housing stock, from 5% or so today.

The plans line up with Xi’s broader push in recent years to expand party control over the economy and rein in the private sector. That push has included regulatory crackdowns on technology firms such as Jack Ma-backed Ant Group and more investment in state-owned enterprises in preferred industries such as semiconductors.

Xi is adamant that real estate, which for years propelled China’s growth and at one point made up around a quarter of gross domestic product, should no longer take on such an outsize role in the economy, the policy advisers say.

In Xi’s view, too much credit moved into property speculation, adding risks to the financial system, widening the gap between the haves and the have-nots, and diverting resources from what Xi considers to be the “real economy”—sectors such as manufacturing and high-end technology that he sees as crucial for China in its competition with the U.S. In some ways, Xi’s plans would take China’s housing market back to its roots. Decades ago, in the Mao Zedong era, the party controlled the market, with most Chinese people living in homes provided by their party work units.

In the late 1990s, when leaders started liberalizing the market, they initially envisioned a two-tiered system in which some people would buy privately developed properties, while others would live in state-subsidized housing.

Over the following decades, however, private developers like China Evergrande expanded rapidly and increasingly dominated the market. Today, more than 90% of Chinese households own their own homes, compared with around 66% in the U.S.

The shift to private ownership created enormous wealth in China. But the market’s explosive growth also sparked a debt-fueled bubble, priced many young families out of desirable housing, and dismayed Xi and other senior leaders who felt the country was straying too far from its socialist roots.

Michael Pettis, a finance professor at Peking University, says that if the government does significantly improve affordable housing, “it will represent the kind of transfer to the poor households that China urgently needs,” freeing people to spend more on other things. But he said it was too early to know how the plan would play out.

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[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago

Houses are for living in

Such a simple concept and it warms my heart to see neoliberals lose their fucking minds over it.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I like how they have "real economy" in scare quotes and it's just things that actually produce stuff instead of being speculative investments

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you mean my funko pops do not have value?

[–] MrPiss@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They have some value as simple and cheap decorations (terrible ones). So they do have more real tangible and understandable value than a lot of the finance industry. The funko pop machines can also be reperposed to something more useful eventually.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

Xi seized my funko pop collection to build train seats why communism why boohoo

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

"revives socialist ideas" is a really funny way to put "uses basic keynesianism". Private investment is down so the Chinese goverrnment is replacing it with State investment, this specific move is only "socialist" in the "when the government does stuff" sense.

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Socialism is when the government does stuff though? And the more stuff it does, the more socialist it is. Basic theory from comrade Wolff.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If it does a lot of stuff, it’s communism. Soon China will be 100% government spending, and thus fully communist.

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

turning a big dial taht says "Communism" on it and constantly looking back at the proletariat for approval like a contestant on the price is right

xi

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Marx wrote a whole book on capitalism that capitalists refuse to read

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honestly half the reason China is passing America is just because all of the ten million CPC members have at least skimmed the damn book.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Xi is adamant that real estate, which for years propelled China’s growth and at one point made up around a quarter of gross domestic product, should no longer take on such an outsize role in the economy, the policy advisers say.

kkkanada could take a hint from this playbook, although we of course won't.

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The best we can do is bring more waffen SS nazi fucks with the liberals at the helm

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

China treats the market like fire - it's a useful took but you have to keep a close eye on it or it'll burn your home down. The US is like a cult of fire worshipers - if the Divine Conflagration burned your house down then it's because you did something to incur it's all knowing wrath.

[–] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

AnCaps are Melisandre burning children alive to keep the Divine Fire going

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 2 years ago

I...don't get it? China announced at their last 5 year conference that they would be doing this and now...they...are?

I'm scared and confused! How can we trust a government that announces what it will do publicly to the people and then go about actively doing the things they said they would do?!

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Here's some scale of real estate nationalization in China for y'all, according to that same Michael Pettis!

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 years ago

Damn, China said "socialism by 2050" but it seems they're aiming for socialism by 2025 at the latest, according to this guy.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago
[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Michael Pettis

lenin-dont-laugh

at least for once he doesn't say something stupid

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What about Michael Pettis? What's he said before? China'll collapse?

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gordon Chang of economics yes

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Mfer... the guy had my hopes up when he said China was nationalizing their real estate industry! Look up at my chart on one of my other comment to see what I mean

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

it will represent the kind of transfer to the poor households that ~~China~~ humanity urgently needs,

amerikkka would never

[–] pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 years ago

people are doubting whether real estate will ever be a viable investment again

Hmm, I wonder who these supposed people are...

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

I really hope so.

The Chinese real estate market has been running way too hot for a long time now.

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

Noooooooooooo! Not my financial instruments!!

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Was the state ever not in charge of the housing market? They've always been there doing corrections here and there...

[–] besbin@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago

But they were not doing the kind of direct command economy model up til now. That left a lot of leverage for the private sector to funnel wealth into capitalist hands.

[–] RedArcher@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Socialism is when vague government intervention in massive private real-estate markets.

[–] Harajukum@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

china bailed us out in 08'