Well it certainly wasn't because of the child raping.
Christians were 100% A-OK with that.
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So the cruelty and violent rhetoric and the hypocrisy were all fine, but admitting that he's going to end up in Hell is crossing the line? You fucking Jesus cultists disgust me.
They're starting to see him as a risk to their grift.
He can't run again so in theory is a lame duck now. He'll always have his sycophants but his hands are being removed from the levers of power soon.
Religious leaders on the other hand can lead their flock as long as they can keep the flock together. There's shrinking benefits for the Joel Osteens or Kenneth Copelands of America to continue being vocally supportive to a lame duck president when they have their own power to consolidate and maintain.
If anyone in any position of leadership is "getting freaked out" I'm sure it's purely realpolitik; not any disillusionment or ideological awakening.
This article is hilarious. What planet is the author living on?
First off, religious people generally don't give a shit about these kinds of "gotchas" or contradictions, because their beliefs and texts are full of contradictions to start with. Second, nobody expects someone like Trump, who is not a religious leader, to have exactly correct answers to theological questions. Third, nothing he said there is really all that bad.
If people are pushing back (the article is very light on actual examples), it's because the midterms, and the failed policies leading to them, have weakened his status as a "sacred cow."
The article is complete nonsense.
They should be. By any genuine scholar's definition he is an antichrist figure, and could arguably be THE antichrist. This Google doc slide presentation lays it out far better than I ever could. It's a couple years old by now (at least) but once you get past the texty intro it goes fast and lays out the arguments well. Certainly nothing has changed that would refute the author's conclusions.
Oh, and this "I can't forgive" thing is at the top of the list. Someone might want to read him the Lord's Prayer and have a chat about "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors," also translated as "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who have trespassed against us." Not that they would, or that he would hear it.
Note: I am an atheist. I do not defend this. I am only pointing out that from its earliest days, and from the core of its canon, Christianity was never supposed to be a make-it-up-as-you-go-along faith, even if that's what he and others have turned it into.
No, the very top of the list is that he believes he doesn't need forgiveness. He said that in an interview back in 2016. Anyone paying the slightest bit attention at the time should already be aware that ye doesn't have a Christian bone in his body. It's all an act.
Or perhaps the very top of the list is that he doesn't love his neighbour like himself. There's nobody he loves as much as himself.
The slide presentation -- same author -- is much longer and more thorough.
Now?! They are literally worshipping an orange cow.
Some evangelicals did admittedly think he was the antichrist the whole time. I know my mom's parents, though otherwise terrible people, always believed that of him, and they're devout conservative Baptists. I still doubt that they would've voted for Democrats, but given that we've never been particularly close, I don't actually know how they voted.
They probably voted for him despite believing he is the Antichrist. Or because of it. Some of these people want an apocalypse in the Middle East because that will align with scripture, bringing about the end of days, and they all get to go to happy sky place.
The funny thing is that if they’re correct about the end of days I think they’ll be disappointed with where they end up.
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Evangelicals are not Christians.
They’re almost all charlatans, with a few sheep mixed in to pay for the mega church.
How do you know they’re not Christian: they don’t file any of Christ’s teachings and they lie about speaking in tongues. If you don’t follow Christ’s own teachings, by definition you’re not Christian.
This is bullshit Christian copium. Your religion is toxic and you refuse to accept it.
Evangelicals are Christians.
Nobody follows Christ's teachings. He said to give away everything to the poor, the jacket off your back, and to live like a bird in the field. So, by your stated metric, only a few hermits living in the wilderness are Christian.
Yet, there are billions of Christians that don't live like birds in the field. Deal with reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.
People don’t follow them perfectly, but evangelicals straight up don’t follow them.
Modern evangelical Christians in the US are made up of pro-slavery southern fundamentalists, wrapped up in the idea the earth will soon end and you need to recruit more evangelicals. It’s a hate based pyramid scheme.
Everybody straight up doesn't follow them.
Evangelicals are Christians OR there are no Christians.
All fall short of the Glory of God. Accept reality as we know it, not as you deem it should be. You're not the "True Christian Decider^(tm)^".
There's nothing more Christian than hate, you should read the Bible. Search the key word "hate", God hates quite a few people. He hates them so much, He tortures them forever ("these are the six things that the LORD GOD hates...")
This is just the no true scotsman fallacy. Evangelicals are one of the largest sects of Christianity. You can disown them if you like, but outsiders to the Christian faith aren't going to care who is the real Christian when all sects claim to be so to the exclusion of all others.
Until your alleged christians police their own ranks, yes evangelicals are christians. So are christo fascists and Christian nationalists and all those weirdos who worship trump. Don't like it? Reject those you claim don't represent your faith.
I agree. Every time I say it, people push back and scream "no true Scotsman!", but it's true. There are fake Christians (who mostly probably know they are that) and there are people who actually try to follow those teachings. Doesn't mean they have to be perfect. But yes there are real and fake Christians just like most any other thing people claim to be.
Edit: And if you're wondering who I would consider real Christians, those would largely be the ones doing charity work that truly helps people without preaching at them. They exist.
So then are there any Christians?
Yes.
They’re the ones who help their neighbours, treat immigrants with respect, don’t hoard wealth beyond what they’ll conceivably ever need.
And you're the one who determines which is which?
Decidedly anti-Christian and goes directly against the Bible.
… and keep their faith to themselves.
Have you read the Bible? I would really say proselytizing is a disqualifier for being christian
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
Mark 16:15-18
Nope.
Autocorrect I meant wouldn't say lol
To some extent. You're probably referencing the Sermon on the Mount, though (Matthew 5 and 6, including the bits about praying in private and not making a display of your faith), and that wasn't exactly a private affair.
Yeah I'm no christian and I realize lemmy isn't the most religious place, but proselytizing as a disqualifier is a hilarious take.
Christian scripture references spreading the word many times and spreading the faith is a cornerstone of Christianity. It's literally what all of the disciples did and what Jesus himself (allegedly) did, travel around converting people.
As a hot take it's pretty good but if the other commenter is serious they show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity to the point of absurdity.
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Yah, the only group that increased its support of the traitorous GOP is freaked out by the person making their bigotry take its final form. I'm sure.
Christian’s will never be freaked out by this man because America Christian’s are fucking hateful maniacs that don’t believe in Christ.
They believe in burning bushes and talking snakes... So I doubt it.
They are just trying to save face from the impending fallout.
For the love of God there are a TON of different kinds of Christians. I mean, for crying out loud, a Presbyterian minister was part of a group of protestors that was shot by a rubber bullet while demonstrating against ICE, Bishop Marianne Budde was in the news the day of the inauguration for calling out Trump in her brief sermon at a prayer service that he himself was attending, every No Kings/No Tyrants protest includes plenty of Christian groups (including me and my colleagues who stood with the ACLU). So please stop this bullshit of acting like we all support Trump and right-wing nationalstic policies. Stop acting like my religion is some kind of monolith. If you can differentiate between “Muslim” and “radicalized terrorist” then you sure as shit can learn a few distinctions of us Christians. Be better Vox.
Oh interesting... So when the argument is about the one or two examples on the left, then it's all about how there are a ton of different types of Christians, and see there are good ones!
But when the discussion is and evangelicals, we suddenly get all of the, "well they're not real Christians" arguments.
How convenient that you get to claim the handful of good ones while disavowing all the awful ones. What a clever little situation there.
I know you're out there, and you know you're out there. If it's within you to do so, please continue doing all the good you do, because it is very real. But there is backlash: the church has not policed its own.
At some point Christianity is going to have to address its general I Corinthians (and specifically Romans 2:17-24) problem. Until it does, I am genuinely sorry that you, and other genuine believers like you, are being tarred with the same filthy brush.
Will we see a GOP fracture, or a new post-religious right?
No there will never be a significant post-religious right. There overall views aren't popular, without being able to turn to homophobia, transphobia, abortion, there numbers would be under 15%. Only borderline issue I can think of that isn't highly dependent on religion is guns.
There's also the people who are unreligious or otherwise neutral on social issues, but entirely willing to toss minority rights and environmental protections under the bus when promised with tax cuts.
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If God was real, they'd would slit their own throat rather than have followers like them
No they aren't.
Now? Not anytime in the last 10 years? Just now?
It wasn't hawking bibles that did it huh?
Fuck Christians
“Well, I’m a religious person, so in theory I go to heaven,” the president said.
Not really sure which 'theory' he's referring to there, but I don't believe that's any tenant of Christianity that I've heard of. And if he really believes that, then he'd believe that any religious person would go to heaven... including Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, and probably even Catholics.
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