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[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Fachwerksbau (Alsace) is just fetish harness for houses, change my mind.

[–] Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Having seen other German words, I'm going to just blindly guess that the word etymology is this:

Fachwerksbau

Fuckworks Bau

Sex worker Bough

Sex Dungeon Beams

Yep, fetish harness house.

[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Architectural degeneration.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I just love modern monochromatic architecture. Inject glass walls, metal accents, and white concrete into my veins.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

and no trees! yuck.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 30 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

This is dictated by cost and the desire to insulate. It's possible to build well insulated buildings that look traditional, but it's going to cost more and it's not going to improve the quality of living inside the house.

Flat rectangular insulation panels with plaster on top placed on large flat surfaces -vs- irregularly shaped insulation with a cavity and a bespoke brick faΓ§ade. Just the bricks alone, so without the labour, is going to cost about the same as the finished plaster. In the long term brick and a sloped roof should require less frequent renovations, but I doubt that it would ever offset the higher initial cost.

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You can stick a fancy facade on basically any wall construction to make it look like an old-half timbered style, or brick, or stone, etc.

But trying to actually build an old brick/stone/plaster and timber monstrosity today wouldn't be smart. Insulation, moisture control, energy efficiency, and even creature comforts like wifi signal penetration are all miles better with newer construction methods.

I agree the architecture is boring, but again, it doesn't have to look this way. However, I think most people would rather have the soulless gray box than have uncontrollable mold spreading across their walls unless they leave the windows open in winter.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 8 hours ago

uncontrollable mold spreading across their walls unless they leave the windows open in winter

You mean soulful mold?

[–] megrania@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Yep, I've lived in old buildings most of my life (very german predilection for the "Altbau" I guess) and I'm not sure whether people are aware how much energy it costs.

I love 3.5m ceilings and 2.5m high windows, I love thick walls made from solid stone, that's how I grew up, in a rented place in a wonderful turn-of the century building. ... it's not even expensive to rent compared to where I live now. But heating alone costs enough that it could pay for a single room somewhere else. And given that the walls are thick, but not insulated, you have to make sure you heat it, make sure you don't put things too close to the wall, otherwise you might have to battle moisture and moldy walls. In fact, if the windows insulate too well it might even be a drawback because the moisture can't escape, and you have to air the rooms (the very german habit of "Stoßlüften") frequently to not get mold.

The rectengular zero-energy buildings of today, you probably don't need to heat much. Friends of mine used to live in a building like that. Well insulated, three-pane windows, all that. They barely had to turn the heat on in the middle of winter. Body heat, residual heat from cooking and what not, it's practically enough to keep the place warm.

I live in the Philadelphia area and a lot of the row houses here dating to a century or more ago have absolutely beautiful brickwork, incredibly creative and interesting stuff, often on houses that these days barely sell for $100K. It would be completely impossible to duplicate this kind of thing today even with a construction budget of millions. The craftsmen who can do that kind of work are nonexistent now -- today you're lucky to find somebody who can lay bricks in a straight line.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Unless you build the house to last 200 years, with occasional maintenance. No drywall monstrosity will survive that long.

[–] megrania@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'd think it was always quite expensive to build like that, and what we see today is what survived. A lot of (european) vernacular architecture is just ... not that.

In fact I'd think the "old" houses in the comic, would need constant maintenance. Paint the wooden windows, make sure they don't distort, a new roof every 20-30 years. The places you see in a deserted italian, french or spanish village might have been uninhabited for a few decades, and are basically ruins.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It's true. But also could be less true. With our modern tech, we could build like they did back then, but much better. If we built for longevity. But we won't.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, I'm looking into insulating my 100+ year old house, and it might mean the stones on the base need to be flattened and covered up. The windows and some of the doors are now plastic, since the previous ones (that were already not the original) were water damaged, which somehow involved the indoor doors too.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago

Curious that Provence needed neither chimneys nor garages.
What's that about?

[–] solarspark@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago

I am a unique and special snowflake.

[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it got more people into houses I wouldn't give a shit, but sadly, its shitty in both ways

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

There are a lot of high density housing being built in my city after some planning rule changes to enable it.

It's unpopular to say the least.

I'm just happy that it means more people get to live in a house.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago

As long as the house has at least 1 window each on opposing sides, and at least 2 metres of spacing between the next plot margin, I'd give it a pass.
I'm writing this from an area where I won't find such a place even if I were to pay 1/3 of my salary as rent.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It's unpopular to say the least.

Fuck the NiMBYs

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 149 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"Guess you guys aren't ready for that yet, but your cat's are gonna love it."

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[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 112 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (29 children)

You can blame this guy: Adolf Loos, at least in part.

Major influence behind Modernism. He was mainly reacting against Art Nouveau which he was a staunch critic of.

"The evolution of culture marches with the elimination of ornament from useful objects" is the core theme of his essay "Ornamentation and Crime" .

Basically,

  1. ornamentation causes buildings and useful objects to go out of style.

  2. Things that go out of style require materials and manpower to update.

  3. It is the moral imperative of the designer to make useful things, things that need to be redone are less useful and are wasteful.

  4. Therefore it is the moral imperative of the designer to remove all ornamentation from design.

He saw ornamentation as "degenerate" and equated ornamentlessnes with moral and intellectual development. He also made it a race thing. He used the example of people from Papua New Guinea having tattoos. Paraphrasing: "these primitive savages ornament themselves with tattoos, we enlightened europeans don't. We smart, they dumb. Therefore ornament = dumb bad, no ornament = good smart. See?"

He was a major inspiration behind the modernist movement. It helped that unadorned buildings are cheaper and easier to construct - especially with the advent of cheap glass and steel construction. So you end up with this sort of soulless architecture that gives no sense of time or place - that tells you nothing about its purpose or the people who built/use it.

[–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

The popularisation of the idea that ornament is inherently bad genuinely did far more damage to the visual environment of the UK than the Luftwaffe managed with years of strategic bombing in my view.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 8 hours ago

At least all the things I see on the buildings in the top picture seem to have a utilitarian purpose.
Of course, how well they fulfilled their purpose would have depended upon the availability of materials and manufacturing processes at the time.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago

He was mainly reacting against Art Nouveau which he was a staunch critic of.

"I think that thing is ugly, so I'm gonna make something even uglier!"

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

People sure are opinionated about architecture... I mean I think both are nice. Although the modern designs do tend to all look the same, which isn't ideal

My beef with modern home architecture (the stuff in the US, mainly) is not that it's different or modern, but that it's so fucking fake in its fundamental elements. Vinyl siding stamped to look like old-fashioned wood siding but obviously isn't because of the vertical seams and the bumps; double-paned vinyl windows with glazing dividers emulating old-fashioned casement windows that don't even look three-dimensional; shutters that obviously can't close; panel doors made from one block of essentially cardboard etc. etc.

[–] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 8 points 20 hours ago

I don't really have any strong opinions on architecture, but I'll still get mad in this instance taking it as a proxy for the French state's efforts to wipe out regional culture throughout its history. You have tons of regional languages, with their own rich cultures and histories, and France has systematically done its best to beat them out of existence. BrΓ©ton, Gascon, Picard, Occitane and Corsican, amongst many others, are all considered to be either definitely or severely endangered, according to their wikipedia articles. Even those whose wiki page doesn't mention this, like Alsatian, still generally mention the speakers tending to be predominantly older adults, with fewer and fewer young people learning the language. I've seen stuff about there being positive results with revitalization efforts and bilingual schooling for some of them, but it gets me bummed out and angry to think it might be too little, too late, and all in the name of some misguided nation building policies.

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[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Funny enough 1921 is when all the houses from the second half of the comic started.

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Modern boxy homes would be pretty great if their roofs are also designed to be used as a patio area with awnings or solar panels. It just seems like a waste otherwise.

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 25 points 1 day ago

A wonderful thing is the regional differences in door casing styles.

Every house everywhere have doors and all of them have trims (door casing), but they're not the same.

In a lot of old houses/apartments, these are rarely changed. They suck to change because you'll probably want the same for all the doors in the house or it looks weird. So if you want to change/repair just one, you'd want the same profile again and that's not available, because every single carpenter had their own design back in the pre-1950s where stuff like this wasn't mass produced, but made by the carpenter. So you either don't change it or you get the same again. The design caries over either way.

In old large cities like Copenhagen where they obviously had several carpenters, you can tell to this day which neighborhood you're in by looking at the door trims if you know how they look.

These days the new ones are all just flat. No profile. Sure, it makes it easier to maintain, but its a real loss in my opinion.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

*Cries in french* Around my hometown I have 4 styles of different houses depending of the microregion they are in. All in a 40 km radius. There is even a continum with hybrids as we move from a place to another.

... That's for older house of course. They are still here, terribly laking heat isolation and in desperate need of renovation, but still here but for every new family that move in the village of for every second brother that stays as an adult, there is a cookie cutter home terribly laking in hot weather resistance that will be desperate for renovation in just 15 years.

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