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Explaining “rogue” AIs (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by cannedtuna@lemmy.world to c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world

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Explain it to me like I’m 80

Mom: What’s with these AIs escaping and hacking people? That sounds scary.

Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says “please be good” and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying “My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!” Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests a hundred million dollars in your company.

Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

Oh, absolutely not.

This is missing one step: actually push the car down.
All these "rogue" LLMs were told to do what they did.

[–] Chick0nPlayz@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago

[–] Furbag@pawb.social 3 points 10 hours ago

Greentext: The Next Generation

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Nerd here.
Damn good summary, but by saying "you pull the parking brake" I took it as setting the brake, as in on. Should say "you release the parking brake."

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 11 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

'pull' comes from the olden times when you, in fact, did pull a handle to release the parking brake.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Fair- but since then it's almost always been "pull" to set the brake. Didn't have that 70s/80s reference when thinking about "AI".

[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Confused me as well, then I saw the header on the image says "Explain to me like I'm 80"

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

You win contextual reading comprehension over me today

[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 17 points 15 hours ago

Snake oil salesman issued a press release that the snake oil escaped from the bottle and cured people.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

moral of the story - PROFIT!

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Even better, the president is now considering giving you power to regulate the Cars Parked On Hills industry. Investors and CEOs are advocating for it.

[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

Oh yeah? Well, my AI is so smart, it went rogue and broke out of containment and killed a bunch of other AI's and leaked my nudes and emptied my bank account and bombed a peaceful village in the Phillipines and fucked my wife! That's how awesome it is!

Subscribe link below!

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 19 points 20 hours ago

I can make it even simpler: They lied.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Rogue shrapnel from my hand grenade killed 3 people and injured 5

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[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Is this screenshot format a custom one of or is it sourced from an obscure website?

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 151 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

"Pulling" the parking brake sets it, damn it!

I refuse to acknowledge shitbox automatics with an atrophied third pedal that functions incorrectly instead of a proper handbrake lever.

[–] notoftenthat@sh.itjust.works 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Get off my lawn

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[–] NotAnOtter@lemmus.org 72 points 1 day ago (28 children)

My go to simplification is "They built a robot that hacks software and then placed it in a box that uses software as a lock and then the robot that hacks software hacked the software lock".

Which is both very simple and also about as accurate as you could make it in that many words. The AI's are not 'rogue' it was just solving the problem it was given.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 32 points 19 hours ago

How I imagine the AI "hacking" its way out:

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

But, "robot that hacks software" still gives the impression of a robot that is capable of thought. LLMs are not capable of thought. They're capable of mimicking thought, like how a Venus Fly Trap is capable of mimicking a flower.

[–] NotAnOtter@lemmus.org 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"A car that drives places" does not imply the car is capable of thought, same argument with "A cup that holds water".

"A robot that hacks software" equally does not imply the robot is capable of thought. IMO there is an over-correction away from personifying LLM's because some people think/claim they are sentient. But we personify stuff all the time.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

But we personify stuff all the time.

Which is a problem, it's how we invented gods that control the weather and stuff. That doesn't make them real, nor does it make robots sentient. Hacking is normally an action performed by a sentient being. LLMs and robots aren't sentient.

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 90 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The news media completely failed on this, again. There was nothing rogue about these hacks. The companies prompted these systems, provided ample resources and just let them rip. Only to claim they went "rogue" afterwards. And by and large everyone just accepts that, it's driving me insane. I feel like Mugatu every day when it comes to AI reporting.

[–] TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Failed, or promoted the narrative?

Hard to tell, but I'd guess the news outlets, mostly owned by billionaires, said what they were told to.

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[–] coolasbreeze@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Perfect Analogy!

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 17 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Like leaving a group of toddlers in a room, unsupervised, with an ample supply of paint, brushes and various tools. Oh yes, they'll go rogue.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Except toddlers think. They may not think well yet, but they are still vaguely capable of understanding something. LLMs just generate likely combinations of words.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

It is very simple, the more advanced the AI, the better it sells.

You hold all evidence of potential "breaches of containment".

Telling everyone that your AI is so advanced that it can breach containment without prompting, puts the spotlight on your AI model.

You can claim that it did fantastic feats to break out, all with pre planned evidence.

The public and regulatory bodies have been in complete AI psychosis mode ever since ChatGPT was released, and only care about how advanced the model is, not how shit your containment was, nor that if true, how reckless it is to keep the model active.

Note that I am not pointing to any one single AI company and saying that they are faking these breaches, I have no evidence of that, I am saying that I don't trust their reporting accuracy, they don't have a good track record of being honest.

I am also angry at how society just seems to eat it all up and ask for more despite the vile aftertaste.

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