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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

One thing I love about France is how they number their republics. This is now the fifth one. Some people are talking about abolishing it for a sixth. So, even Constitutional authority is subject to occasional "fuck this shit we can do better", and the idea of abolishing the Constitution of the Fifth Republic for a better one is nowhere near treasonous but honest democratic-republican politics. Compare that with the American dysfunction of having a document written 200 years ago as a snapshot of an expedient compromise between fops being vested with semi-divine aura.

And then there's the british who haven't even managed to abolish monarchy yet

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe republics don't work. Maybe it just creates a permanent, insufficiently accountable, political class that has to sell out the people to retain power.

My solution, and you are going to laugh, Switzerland. You should be laughing because Switzerland is labeled a republic. But it's not a pure republic. It has significantly more direct democracy. The mechanisms provided by a republic alone just don't do the thing they are labeled as doing. It doesn't give you politicians that are accountable to you. It just doesn't.

Or maybe we should just let Switzerland expand slowly into France. Not by war. But by recognizing a better model is worth growing. And France shouldn't feel threatened by it. If the politicians represented the people they should be happy for every French that finds himself with a better life on the other side of a border. Richer too because property value will go up the second the line moves. But politicians don't care about the people. They seek power. And loss of land is fewer people to have power over. So they would throw a fit. But that fit would only prove the point that those politicians don't have your interests, so it's proof the boarder should move.

Let's grow Switzerland by 3% a year, as long as it has higher quality of life associated with it and is growing a smaller country into a large one. That creates competition that would actually incentive politicians. It would end up being a self-failing prophecy. France would improve with better incentives, tying what politicians want (authority) to what we want (better lives). And then it would stop being necessary. Then people can go back to lying to themselves about pure republics working.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Republics were a hugely progressive idea... for the 1700s. Enormous compromises are built in from an era when the fastest a message could travel was by horse and implementing any manner of direct democracy on a national scale would have been impossible. Nowadays, though, it would be trivial.

Except of course for all those old white men already in power, who like the old game because it's easier to tilt in their favor.

[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In the Netherlands we got all cuts for social services off the table by the left parties working together with working unions who striked untill we got our way :3

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (8 children)

They really do. 3 years ago my daughter was getting ready to take a school trip to France when protests broke out over something. I was worried about the trip and ended up learning a lot about how France protests. Here are some things I learned:

Protesting is considered important and this is taught to kids in school.

It's often a family affair, grab the whole family and go protest.

Protests are a happy, party-like environment with music and vendors selling food to protestors.

Leaders actually listen to some.extent.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (4 children)

American version:

Protesting is a right, taught in school.

Grab family, go to protest.

Protest turns violent because of hidden cops. Mom gets shot. Dad loses job. Family loses house.

Die.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

My US experience:

Protesting it taught in school.

Peaceful protesting at school results in being expelled.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

I wasn't aware that anything was taught in US schools.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Which is so odd. America got started because of a protest.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Protesting is a right and everything great we have comes from it, but you will be tear gassed and condemned if you try"

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

2028 you get black bagged by ICE for the crime of thinking about planning a protest

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As opposed to the good old days when the CIA and FBI would do the black-bagging.

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[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Americans storm the capital building. "Worst event in American history"

I wonder why people don't revolt in the US? Maybe because people get upset over politicians feeling scared.

Even if you don't like the exact reasons why they entered, or had cops opened doors for them, it did have one effect. Politicians now know people can come through those doors on any other day over any other issue, so they better not make it worth it in general.

[–] MarieMarion@literature.cafe 107 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I live in very, very rural France. Country-wide protests are happening because high-school students demand better... Well, better everything.

Yesterday I carpooled with my kid's teacher to protest in the "biggest" town (pop. 9,000) in the county. 700 people marched. Some drove over 60 miles one way to be there, when gas costs 2,35€ a liter.
In the past week two kids lost an eye, one an arm, one their lower jaw, because of police violence. (The eyes might not be beyond saving, I'm not sure.) Even middle-schoolers fight with their parents to be allowed to protest.

Country-wide headcount was 400,000. Our tiny march, every tiny local march did its part.
And that was a weekday, small protest. Saturday after next is a big one.
I'm really proud of the kids.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

and that is the same country that wanted to ban social media for minors because social media was harming minors? huh, I do think something is indeed harming French minors, but I don't think it's social media!

[–] MarieMarion@literature.cafe 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The country didn't want that. The president and his cronies do, as an excuse to amplify mass surveillance.
The same president we're protesting against.

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[–] expr@programming.dev 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Social media is definitely harming minors, just like it is harming everyone else.

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[–] Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I did have this discussion with the wife earlier today. She was saying good on the French for protesting. I agreed but said at the same time is there any significant differences between how good people have it in the UK and in France? We were just in France recently and I didn't see any evidence that protesting so much has resulted over time in France actual being measurably better to live in than the UK with all its infuriating apathy.

[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

The French protest so much that the country basically can't function. There are consequences for blowing up the parliament with a grenade launcher every time prices increase.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I’d rather the protesting, though, fires and all. You also don’t always see the benefits just walking around. It’s also nice to know that if shit goes sideways for any reason, you can actually count on people to help you.

Here in Canada we just kinda roll over and take it up the ass. It’s not gotten us fucking anywhere.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I guess but France is still bowing to Zionist interests and their retirement age remains at the new older age

[–] aeiou@piefed.social 180 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (36 children)

American government: we're deporting your friends and neighbors to third countries, burning your crops, poisoning your water supply, and delivering a plague unto your houses

Americans: What?! You can't do that! I'm going to write angry social media posts and participate in a quickly-forgotten weekend protest that disrupts little to nothing! Not this weekend though, I have work in the morning.

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 106 points 3 days ago (1 children)

...and also re-elect you because the other guy said he'd make housing more affordable for everyone

[–] Tja@programming.dev 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And the other guy was a woman. Can you imagine?

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

And then the Brits hang this poster on their windows unironically

poster with the British world war 2 slogan "Keep Calm and Carry On" in white on a red background with the british crown symbol in white above

[–] Stolas@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Wish the rest of the world was more like the French. We'd be able to achieve so much change.

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[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I mean, right now there are students protests in France.

One student had his hand blown off by a police grenade launcher, and something like 50 officers were injured.

They don't fuck around

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago

It's almost like you actually have to fight for your rights or something.

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