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[โ€“] raman_klogius@ani.social 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

French is when people speak sloppy Latin uncorrected for 1500 years

[โ€“] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

To be precise, it's when Celts speak sloppy Latin. Even the silly way they say 80 as 4x20 comes from the Gauls.

[โ€“] Noodle07@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Know what ? Yeah that's the best description I've seen so far. So much for civilizing the Gaul

[โ€“] ik5pvx@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

That one damn remaining village...

[โ€“] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Eau...I see.

[โ€“] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I wonder when French took the wrong path, because it seems unexplainable to me how we end up from Latin's "aqua" to French's "eau"

[โ€“] FishFace@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

One plausible etymology is:

aqua > agua > egua > ewa > ewe > eawe > eaw > eau > o

So first the k sound changed to a g, then the initial a became an e, which lengthened to a diphthong, the final sound disappeared, the new final sound turned from a consonant into a vowel (like an oo) and the resulting triphthong reduced to a monophthong.

The elision of medial g is pretty surprising to me though.

[โ€“] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Are you sure that the Q is supposed to be read like a K? It does not seem to be the case in other neo-latin languages such as Italian and IIRC Spanish

Edit: i searched and it seems that the sound of Q could've been /kสท/ which makes sense

i am not a latin expertโ€“ i barelly know it in fact, btw

[โ€“] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes, Latin qu was pronounced /kสท/, which became straight /kw/ in English. I don't know which it was in Old French. Italian does have qu which is pronounced /kw/.

[โ€“] hikaru755@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Italian does have qu which is pronounced /kw/

~~Same in German~~ actually no

[โ€“] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sorry bud, but in German it usually (though not always ill grant you) is pronounced /kv/ :) quark, quasseln, usw

[โ€“] hikaru755@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh dang you're right, read your comment too quickly and mixed up v and w, lol

What's the difference between /kสท/ and /kw/ though? Never seen that first notation

[โ€“] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

The former is a labialised consonant, so the lips are brought close together, like to pronounce a /w/, but while saying a k. The general term is "secondary articulation". I think the most famous of these, at least in European languages, is palatalisation.

[โ€“] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 points 2 weeks ago

Italian does have qu which is pronounced /kw/.

I can confirm this as native speaker :3

[โ€“] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

here is a whole video on that exact topic

Aqua โžก๏ธ eau is one of the explained examples ๐Ÿ˜

[โ€“] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 2 weeks ago
[โ€“] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder when French took the wrong path,

When did Caesar invade Transalpine Gaul?

[โ€“] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is pretty much my experience attempting to learn french. I can't pronounce it worth a damn either.

Bout ready to toss it out, say fuck it, and switch to Italian.

[โ€“] Bronelius@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

This cat and Andrew Tate look like they are related

[โ€“] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

theres also un oeil ( 1 eye) vs les yeux (2 eyes) like wtf. or my favorite: poisson for fish. Fish is poisoned !

[โ€“] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Germans are a lot worse by these standards ! "Poison" is "gift"

[โ€“] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

Just don't piscine the pool.

[โ€“] k2r@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Whatโ€™s even stranger in French is we have adjective like โ€œaqueuxโ€

[โ€“] dismay3915@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

French is ass (so is english, but less)