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He could have said "i mean we killed 120 schoolgirls in one shot a few weeks ago so honestly four more civilian deaths is kinda nothing."
Ah yes because this is so much worse than the other bombings you did.
Like immediately trying to shock and scare Iran by bombing a girls school right off the bat.
Things happened to charlie kirk and he got all pissy about it.
Well, next time someone brings up Kirk [1], I'll have to remember Vance's quote here.
[1] Not sure that someone will, though. I still remember most people's reaction when he was shot and it was: "Who?"
As somebody who pays more attention to these things than most, I still wasn't sure which loser who debates college students he was. I thought he was the "change my mind" guy but that's David Chowder or whatever. Stephen? Who cares. He sucks too.
I'm from the Midwest so I said "ope."
Every time we do something like this, I try to imagine how unhinged the response would be if the roles were reversed.
Had Iran blew up an American wedding on US soil. Just imagine for a moment what the fallout of an event like that would be.
Or even worse, a fucking elementary school full of children.
Nukes would be on the table.
He's so lucky that he can just brush off murders while remaining a "good Christian". Most rational people would be crushed under the weight of the cognitive dissonance.
The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Vance and others believe that slaughtering their enemies (and any collateral damage done) is god's will.
abrahamic faiths
I remember having many discussions with some strident xtians about how that's not really a thing, or that xtianity doesn't really count.
It still makes me laugh.
I was raised south baptist. We sang "father Abraham... had many sons... Many sons had father Abraham..."
More recently I read some of Genesis for myself. Father Abraham's wife could not conceive, so he raped her slave instead. The slave ran away. God sent an angel to tell the slave to return to Abraham and have his rape baby, which she did.
It's not the only time rape is condoned in the bible. Horrible book.
The really, really wild thing is when xtians have the audacity to tell someone that, without (their) god, there is no way to have morality.
YES! Thank you for calling that out. It is so frustrating. Submitting completely to arbitrary authority is not moral. It's one way we get people proudly advocating for homophobia, rape, genocide, and more.
Human morality is something we evolved to help us survive. It changes with us, as our circumstances change. IMO, using baseless claims about supernatural punishments and rewards to manipulate people into harming themselves and others is insanely immoral. That ain't love.
I am staggered by the amount of grown adults who take the bible seriously. It's deadly, stupid nonsense.
In no way trying to defend him, hes hardly unique in this regard. Deplorable, but at best hes just overtly deplorable.
I think the shamelessness is the hallmark of this government.
I wonder if he will be that casual when it happens to Usha and his kids.
I cant wait to quote "Things happen" in regards to something that happens to Vance.
“What I can say with 100% confidence is that, unlike the [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] IRGC, the United States never targets civilians in combat,” Vance continued. “We never will do that. We never have done that, and unfortunately, obviously, sometimes things happen.”
There's enough gas there to light up the entire planet. What a lying cunt.
Here's hoping 'things happen' to James.
Hey Mr Vance. What about them boats you've been blowing up in the Caribbean? Are those not civilians?
That’s just more things happening!
Viet Nam enters the chat
Nice quote. When he faces his sentence for crimes against humanity when Americans finally put all these people on trial, I hope he's reminded of it.
If bombing weddings got you in trouble in America your last four presidents would be in prison right now.
Ofc I agree with your morals because I'm not a monster but big lol on that one. Americans have had only murderous sociopaths for leaders and they have never been on trial like that else they would've all been either incarcerated or executed, what are you smoking? 😅🙃
I'm just looking at Germany as an example. I know it's wishful thinking.
Some of us looked at Nazi Germany and said "that's something that should never happen again". Some looked at it and said "okay but how can we get away with it next time?".
The Nazi leaders were mostly given cushy jobs in NATO or NASA, their crimes forgiven, and they died of old age.
Meh, they killed a couple and many heads of departments were either flown to the US, given comfy retirements in Argentina or just straight up became NATO bosses, lol. Nah, the world is under the control of villains, and as long as those who could make a difference are amoral and self-centered to the point of sociopathy, nothing is gonna change. There's no macro fix for this, only individual changes of mentality, IMO. But let's be hopeful, who knows what tomorrow holds. 🫶
If it happened in the USA, no way he says this.
Dude is just a walking critical failure on charisma checks
James Donald Bowman, as he's actually named by his parents and which name I chose to use to remind him of his wretched upbringing, is a despicable human being and belongs in a jail cell.
This guy needs a missile pointed at his face.
I live in the West and if the price for getting rid of America, nuclearly speaking, was also dropping nukes on the UK and Western Europe, I'd take it. What a bunch of degenerate monsters, what a cancer in this world. I'm so tired of these cunts.