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Dutch people cycle an average of 2.6 kilometres each per day. If this pattern was replicated worldwide, the study suggests, annual global carbon emissions would drop by 686 million tonnes.

This mammoth figure exceeds the entire carbon footprint of most countries, including the UK, Canada, Saudi Arabia and Australia.

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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 points 33 minutes ago (1 children)

I am strongly leaning toward beginning to take practical steps to someday move to the Netherlands because, even ignoring the ugly US political climate (which let's be real, is probably not going anywhere good anytime soon), I came to realize as a bike commute lover that I will always be miserable in this country unless I relocate somewhere where I can bike more freely.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 1 points 30 minutes ago

Sidenote: a vegan who drives has almost as low of a footprint as an omni who is full time car-free. So why not both? Whatever you can do for where your life is at, the more plants you eat and the less animal products, the more worthwhile you'll find it to be.

[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 hour ago

And of course it's your responsibility as opposed to the people designing infrastructure, the politicians approving their plans, and the corporations lobbying the latter

/s

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 2 points 1 hour ago

Well, they have longer legs than the rest of us.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 8 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I got 54kms to get to work every day and no place to park that's safe between.

I would be happy as a Clam to save my morning run and go to my car but it's not feasible unfortunately.

Maybe stop putting the buck on people trying to make a living and give it to politicians who fly privately or massive shipping companies.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody's asking you to cycle for 110 km per day, and the Dutch don't fo that either. It's about building cities that are bicycle-friendly, and where people can live in reasonable proximity to their job and all services.

If you're in the US or Canada the problem is likely zoning and suburbia.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

So given the cities are have now, what can we do? Can't simply build a new one or tear the old one down.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

You did that already once, when decided to move to car-centrism. No reason not to do it again

[–] overcast5348@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Stop voting for politicians who want to get rid of existing bike lanes (Doug Ford - Ontario, Canada), stop voting for politicians who oppose high density residential zones (gestures at most of the developed world), and vote for politicians who have the best public transportation plans. Get involved with city politics a la the annoying people in parks and rec. It works. Donate to and get involved with your local progressive organizations (shout out to https://www.progresstoronto.ca/).

[–] J4g2F@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

We can just change the design of existing cities.

Heck the Netherlands was designing for cars until massive protest (violent and non violent). It then started to change existing infrastructure for a more people focused design.

A oil crisis helped of course

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

you want the mad max future

[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 1 points 54 minutes ago

Ebike are expensive. I know people how bought small used cars for the price of an ebike.

I once bought a used bike for 12 € another time for 5 €. Yes, it was a long time ago and we got inflation since bit ever since bikes become trendy, they got overly complicated and overly pricy. That doesn't help people cure their carbrain syndrome.

[–] Bieren@lemmy.today 3 points 4 hours ago

“bikes are icky and slow. They just get in the way of my lifted f250, blacked out, with a really loud exhaust that I only use to drive to Walmart for groceries” MAGAcucks

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 13 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

If everybody cycled as much as the Dutch, global carbon emissions would drop by nearly 700 million tonnes per year.

For context, Wikipedia puts annual global carbon emissions in 2023 at 39,024 million tonnes. That's a 2% slash. I suppose if you find a lot of these it could add up, but without a fix for the original problem of unregulated capital expansion it's just going to fill the void.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 points 3 hours ago

For context, aviation is also about 2% of emissions. So it really isn't nothing.

But the lower-hanging fruit for me is all of the kerosene used to cook. That's also about 2% of global emissions and it's a good candidate to be fixed with solar panels and wind turbines.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

The Dutch also have a very flat country

[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They make ebikes now that really help with hills

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

True, but 4 hills = 20 miles.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That doesn't get a lot of snow.

[–] MBM@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Oulu (Finland) is pretty big on cycling and they get plenty of snow

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, hey, hey… my fat mother isn't going to ride a bike. Even though I rode a bike for years, I like air conditioning now that I'm older (fatter). You can't save the world trying to convince me that I should sweat.

/this is sarcasm

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

They make these great recumbent trikes for us fat decrepit folk

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

1000 miles last year.

[–] mousefad@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 hours ago

Honestly if you want to persuade people to cycle, it would probably be more effective to focus on the fantastic behinds of Amsterdam cyclists. It's quite a sight.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 11 points 9 hours ago

there is NO solution to climate change that doesn't involve a > 80% reduction in car use (and banning flying) Even the IPCC has said e-cars aren't an answer (they embed urban sprawl).

There's is a persistent myth that we can't inconvenience anyone, which is patently nonsense as the destruction of civilisation from climate change is more than inconvenient.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

People are not aware how wasteful cars with combustion engines are. If you go by a car to the next supermarket to buy a veggie pizza, the emissions from the car are likely higher than from your whole meal - 220 grams per person-kilometer.

Per kilometer, the carbon footprint of a car is about as high as seat in a passenger plane.

Trains are at a tenth of that.

Bikes practically at zero.

And bikes are the means of transport which statistically make your life longer , not shorter - cars mostly kill people by lack of movement.

[–] Initech_vs_Initrode@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

As an American, the closest I've come up death, by far, is on bicycles. I'm also a motorcyclist, but my closest calls have been on bicycles.

I've also had bicycles stolen. Per mile traveled, it's amazing how often they're stolen.

Bicycling in America is a great way to put your life at risk and have to take a taxi home because someone stole your vehicle. If you try to improve it with things like "15 minute city" initiatives, right-wingers freak out about a conspiracy to control them. It sucks.

Fuck trains, too, at least in America. The other day, I had to wait almost half an hour while a cargo and lumber train blocked my path, switching cars on and off of a branch line. There were probably 50+ cars, idling in the heat for half an hour, all so that some train company can make a few bucks by abusing its employees, inconveniencing the public, and skip infrastructure maintenance on land that was granted to them generations ago.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I feel like we're kinda derailing the discussion if our point of reference is North America. You guys have spent generations building a car-centric society. The same is not true for most countries. You can fix it but your solution will probably involve a lot more public transit rather than bicycles.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 hours ago

Then build us cities like the dutch.

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