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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Internal US news goes in News, not World.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 102 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Luigi Mangione, the 28-year-old accused of killing a health care executive on a Manhattan street, pleaded guilty to stalking charges in federal court Friday.

Mangione faced those charges in connection with the December 2024 shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

"I knew what I was doing," Mangione said in court Friday. "I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan and he died."

Thompson's family was in the courtroom sitting in the front row watching as Mangione entered his plea. Mangione voiced no remorse and repeatedly referenced his concerns with the U.S. health care system.

Wow, I was expecting this to go to trial and be more drawn out.

[–] tburkhol@slrpnk.net 67 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The feds only had stalking charges. Murder is a separate state case, but it'll be hard to beat that 'I knew what I was doing. I shot him." statement. Maybe angling for favorable sentencing.

Definitely taking "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" to heart, though. Hero of the people.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

It was presumably his lawyer's strategy. He pleaded guilty to the federal stalking case and then the lawyers moved to dismiss the state murder charges for double jeopardy. They're trying to say he shouldn't be charged for the same crime twice and picked the lesser of the two.

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[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

New York has an extremely strict double jeopardy law.

You can’t be convicted at the state level in New York for actions you were also convicted of at the federal level. Even if the charges are different.

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm sure there was a plea deal. Either that or they found out the prosecution had some really damning evidence.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Him having a journal, tracking specifically the victim(dbag) and calling the company to get more details pretty much seals the deal.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It really baffles me sometimes how clever people can make such basic mistakes when doing crimes.

If you're planning to do something illegal don't literally document your crime. Or if you do need to do some written-down planning ahead of time, a major part of that plan should include how to destroy that documentation at the earliest possible moment.

[–] Carl@anarchist.nexus 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The overwhelming amount of evidence was actually a large part of why I consistently held that some of it was planted. His bag was initially searched at the scene of the arrest, then it was taken by an officer who wasn’t wearing a body cam. The bag was entirely off camera for around 10 minutes. Then when that officer came back with the bag, they searched it again and “found” the journal, manifesto, ghost gun, etc… None of which was noted during their initial search inside of the restaurant.

The police were under an extreme amount of pressure to arrest somebody. Anybody. They needed a patsy. And so my bet right from the start had always been that the evidence was planted.

You’re telling me the dude managed to evade a nationwide manhunt for an entire week, but didn’t think to break up the untraceable ghost gun? It could have been taken apart and scattered into a dozen trash cans, and they never would have found it.

And when people write manifestos, it’s because they expect to get caught and they want their manifesto to be seen. They want to send a specific message. So why would he hide for an entire week if he wanted the manifesto to be found?

The eyebrows don’t match either. Luigi’s were much bigger than the security camera footage of the killer. And anyone who has accidentally over-plucked their eyebrows can attest that they don’t just grow back in a week.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

Alas, sometimes smart people do really dumb things now and then.

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[–] Waterpumpee@lemmus.org 10 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

So, pleading guilty he doesnt go infront jury? Weird to give all this up now, not showing remorse even.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Mangione voiced no remorse and repeatedly referenced his concerns with the U.S. health care system.

[–] TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well that's a fucking bummer, man.
Mans a hero.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Mangione has such a massive and popular following that there almost no way he is sentenced normally, it would be political suicide. The martyrdom alone would be hugely disruptive.

[–] Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago

I have trouble believing this, it feels like that administration is past the point of trying to be respectable, but I hope you're right.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So just to be clear. Only pleaded guilty to stalking. Not the murdering part. ?

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, seems complicated.

Mangione still faces murder charges in a state trial set to begin next month, but his guilty plea in federal court is expected to have significant impacts on the state trial. New York state's strict double jeopardy law could potentially upend those proceedings. That law says that a defendant can't be tried twice for the same thing.

Mangione's defense team cited that law in a motion filed Friday, shortly after his federal guilty plea, urging state court Judge Gregory Carro to dismiss state charges against him, including a count of 2nd degree murder. If successful, that legal maneuver could spare Mangione a longer prison term.

I can't imagine the state dropping charges because he pled to stalking, while also admitting the murder.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s the thing with double jeopardy, though. It fully prevents a double charge for the same crime regardless of what the circumstances are. If the system works as written (which it hasn’t been for some time), if he is found guilty for stalking he cannot be charged for murder for the same case.

[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

the stalking and the killing are different things though. he did the stalking and stood near him on the street; that's its own charge, and one he's pled guilty to. after that, separately, he pulled out a gun and shot him; that's a different charge. my understanding of double jeopardy is that you can't face the same charge for the same action twice, but he's facing two separate charges for two separate actions. is that not correct?

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 15 points 3 weeks ago

He didn't just plead guilty to stalking, he pled to interstate stalking resulting in death. The shooting was part of his guilty plea today, not a separate action like you suggest.

Not that I really have any hope or faith in our justice system- the government holds all the cards, and they are making an example of him. Getting double jeopardy protection will be an uphill battle.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)
[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh damn, I'd hid it into a spoiler once the guilty plea was confirmed, but I'm glad I can give a take once in a while that's not bone-headed 😅

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, still didn't do it. He was probably coerced

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 23 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Wow what a shit misleading title

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[–] aarch0x40@piefed.social 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I still don’t believe he did it

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Totally not being rude but do you actually feel this way or it’s like a joke?

[–] hypnicjerk@piefed.social 19 points 3 weeks ago

i believe that based on my knowledge of the case, it's highly likely he's the culprit but the circumstances are suspicious enough that it wouldn't be 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' for me

[–] Carl@anarchist.nexus 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

I currently believe that reasonable doubt exists. And since “beyond a reasonable doubt” is the standard for a guilty sentence, I would currently vote Not Guilty if I were sitting on the jury.

“Beyond a reasonable doubt” is meant to be a very large barrier. It’s not “maybe”. It’s not “probably”. It’s not even “I personally think he did it, but I understand how people could think otherwise.” It’s “a reasonable person would have zero doubt that he did it.” Beyond a reasonable person’s ability to doubt. And since that doubt still exists, (due to the bungled investigation, laughably inept police work, him not looking like the shooter in the security footage, etc) he would be not guilty in my eyes. Because a reasonable person would be able to find ways to doubt his guilt.

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[–] BottleBoardBakon@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

He couldn't have done it. He was with me playing Mario kart.

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

His commissary is gonna be so phat that he'll have the lifer crime bosses asking him for favours.

[–] trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Next president pardon Luigi.

[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck it, I’d vote for him once he turns 35.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Nooooooooo!!!!

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Luigi is innocent of all wrong doing and you can't change my mind.

Ok MAYBE he jaywalked at some point but that's like it! Innocent!

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Thompson's family was in the courtroom sitting in the front row watching as Mangione entered his plea.

I wonder what talent agency they're with.

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[–] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Seems like he was prepared to pay the price and still felt it was worth it. 🤷

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 7 points 3 weeks ago

I wanted this to go to trial so the jury could nullify, but this is a shit timeline.

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