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[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 74 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Top Economist" states the bleeding obvious.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

He forgot the: Because investors are now the only ones with money to spend.

[–] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 67 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Ponzi called, he wants his scheme back.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Well the jerk store called, and they're running out of you!

[–] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Relax Costanza 😂

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well I slept with your wife!

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm willing to bet most of the funders are people using AI to replace workers and manipulate the masses. So really; they're paying customers.

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[–] tinsuke@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Funny how the "Top Economist" just parroted what Ed Zitron, also quoted on the piece, has been harping on, since... checks notes always.

Edit: Zitron, the name. Not Zitrone, The German word for lemon.

[–] aim4harmony@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Mr. Zitrone 🍋✨☺️😃

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like the name of an Arcimboldo painting

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

When this is all over the world owes Ed Zitron a massive fucking apology.

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah and the biggest issue is covered well here: https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-house-of-ellison-is-on-the-brink

Essentially: the profits are in the infrastructure end (AI companies paying for parts to build the data centres) not the consumer facing end (the actual models - customer paying AI companies). The money is coming from investors buying in to AI in the hope of winning the supposed arms race to be The One True AI. The whole thing depends on the revenues in the consumer facing end going up to show this is a growing market and make people believe they will eventually reach profit. But the revenues in the consumer facing end are fake and being inflated by circular movements of money including companies like Nvidia paying companies like OpenAI to buy product, or OpenAI paying for product in stock. The revenue inflation is very similar to how Enron inflated it's books its revenue appear higher than it really was.

The brutal reality is: there will not be One True AI to Rule Them All. Instead AI is looking increasingly like a commodity - people will just use the cheapest, simplest tool to do the task, rather than play inflated prices for a swiss army knife AI. And people can host those cheap, simple AIs aleady at home, or on servers in the cloud, or companies can also do the same. The whole US bubble is predicated on spending as much money as possible to stake a claim in a future Google, when it's looking more like it'll be like the fast food sector with razor thin margins. Some of these companies may end up profitable but this is going to be a hell of a lot more competitive and less profitable than the valuations assume.

Expect a very nasty correction.

[–] DeepRoots@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I literally cannot wait for the correction

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

It will be interesting, normally you'd expect massive layoffs but companies may be forced to actually re-hire staff due to their over-inflated AI replacement expectations

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

It's a giant economic bubble in plain view.

[–] redditStinksSuperBad@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Let's not forget that they're literally stealing from anyone who ever made anything in our entire history.

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[–] webp@mander.xyz 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] aim4harmony@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (56 children)
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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Fancy being a top economist and therefore being privy to knowledge that is beyond the capabilities of us mortals. We thought the AI was a profitable business, and it turns out it's a giant scam, who would have thought it?

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[–] Miller@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The problem is two things are happening at once and they are being conflated. Financially a cannibalising house of cards is being built which is a common artifact of modern capitalism. But in the same process a means is being realistically sought, and openly expressed, to replace the human workforce. This second aspect is unique and when written plainly is far more stark than the more common financial greed fuelled idiocy half.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

Nah, I'm sure all the most valuable companies and richest people are pouring more money in to developing AI to replace the human workforce out of the goodness of their hearts.

Once most humans are no longer needed in order for them to have all of their needs and wants met and they are directly in control of all production and everything else they definitely plan to share everything equally and turn Earth into a utopia for all of humanity. Sharing and caring is what the rich and powerful do best.

[–] Miller@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Machines will see no ultimate difference between the workforce and the owners of production. This course leads to only one destination.

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[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The problem with capitalism is that morons can get filthy rich and make poor decisions.

Example 1: US president.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, look at Zuckerberg, who recently burned billions on his crappy virtual reality project, and is now doing the same with AI.

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[–] antianarchist@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago

What a smart economist that is. 2 years after everybody knew how this scheme works, they came to the same conclusion. Amazing. Now the world will for sure change. Thank you.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like everyone knows it's a bubble but that people are expecting it to be like the Dot-com bubble where a small amount of companies succeed, hoping that they invest in those companies.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That's pretty much what is driving the entire AI "boom". It's the Amazon effect.

Amazon, and Netflix to a certain extent as well as a number of other early internet startups, lost money for around 10 years before they started making shit tons. And everybody wants to be on that particular ride. So they are queueing up in every AI line they can find to hedge their bets on one of them being the one that survives and thrives. It doesn't really occur to any of them that all of them could fail. Because "AI is the future". Except there is no plan to monetize any of them. And so far every time one of them introduces a charge, people stop using it.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Why is it that almost all big financial situations in my life are Ponzi schemes?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

This has Ponzi elements, but it's closer to a multi-company Enron in its structure. They're manufacturing fake revenues through circular investments. Nvidia invests in AI companies and increases their value while AI companies use that investment to buy Nvidia cards increasing its value so, so they invest more in AI, so they buy more cards....

Enron did this by making fake companies to generate fake revenue. Right now the tech sector is all working together on this scheme, so none of the companies are fake, but the revenue is.

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[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Usually it’s because someone needs the line on a chart to go up… no matter what.

American big tech hasn’t had a breakthrough technology equivalent to PCs, Smartphones, internet, etc. in ten years. Their latest forays into smart Watches, Smart glasses, VR that stupid virtual world Meta pushed… none of it has seen real adoption or growth.

They needed AI to be a hit to continue justifying their stock prices. The only way they can justify their stock prices now is if sales for AI become a 2 or trillion dollar industry. The only way you do that is by replacing humans. Human jobs go away and corps pay for AI tokens instead.

But it hasn’t panned out that way and so far and all you have are AI companies passing around the same dollar and booking it as revenue on their P&Ls. That will work for a little while but it isnt a industry.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

'Profits are currently being funded by investors rather than earned from customers'

Which profits?

Ah, now I see the actual quote is: "[...] the AI boom's profits are currently being funded by investors rather than earned from customers." he means the profits of the shovel sellers, not AI profits.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The goal isn’t consumer level profits, the goal is to replace workers, this is the first time capitalists are looking farther than quarterly profits. They’re investing in R&D to replace us, not selling a product. We are not part of the plan.

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[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago
[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

CEO, "It will pay off because I'm the visionary."

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Together they're on the hook for over a trillion dollars in lease payments, so far, that haven't started yet. They're counting on turning a profit before they need to start paying that back. That's why they're shoving it down our throats, they either make this shit work or they go down in flames.

I'm betting they go down in flames, base on the absolute shit-show "AI" has turned out to be. They keep claiming they have fixed it, or they will fix it, and then it shits the bed again in some public, spectacular way.

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[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago

Investors don’t create profit, they give capital, very different dynamic, I want this bubble to burst so bad

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Regardless, fuck AI and its speculators. Onward the Butlerian Jihad.

[–] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Investment shouldn't count as earnings. You're literally borrowing the money...

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Looks a little triangle shaped.

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago
[–] chunes@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm not sure it matters anymore. It's like they've found a way to make it not matter.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

Fortune is part of this bubble. They helped create it by encouraging top management to ride it... And even here they still do "he said" reporting.

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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