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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The core problem with all this anti-vax bullshit, is that Vaccines worked..and they worked too well.

We have entire generations now that have never seen the terrible consequences of Polio, Smallpox, Measels (Although thats quickly changing, Go America! /s), or any other disease thats been eliminated (at least at one point.. Go America! /s) from popular concern and conscious.

and as a result, they have no idea what crippling horrors that they have been, and are actively, protected from.

and because humans are, generally, stupid and irrational and a lot of them lack the capability to think about anything beyond what they can see within 3 feet around them, they scream about the vaccines and call them evil because they have absolute no experience with the alternative, which is the diseases themselves.

[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

True for peace time either. Very few people arguing for war has actually ever seen combat.

[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep. In this case: rules are written in blood, yet some people forget why they are here in the first place.

Only to inevitably find out "holy shit, now i get it"

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yep.. its the same with almost all regulations, too.

You know, those pesky things conservatives and big business say stifle innovation and reduce money making.

and its true, they reduce innovation and reduce money making.. because it stops them from cheaply dumping toxic waste in drinking water, then innovatily selling us filters to clean out the toxic waste.

It stops them from innovating by putting powdered chalk in spoiled milk to whiten it back up, to save profits from loss and sell what would have been losses to the public.

It stops them from mixing coal dust in pepper.

It forces them to provide safety equipment to workers, and cover injuries caused on the job, rather than innovating by letting workers get black lung and be fired once they can no longer work, to die miserable deaths.

Regulations are to the benefit of workers, customers, and the general public. Which is why conservatives and big business hate them, because keeping the public safe and having healthy markets means taking a small portion of money away from million/billionaires.

[–] casualvagrancy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Don’t forget scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, puerperal fever, and the plague!

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Rand Paul is vaccinated. Reminder to tell anyone who brings him up that fact.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

All conservatives are. Even the most vehement anti-vax ones.

Fox News didnt let anyone in the building without a vaccine card at one point.

But conservative voters always conveniently ignore and pretend not to remember all of this.

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[–] Chrglstr143@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Infection is the best protection? Alright then Rand, please get infected with HIV so that you may be protected from it in the future. Better yet, expose yourself to Marburg virus so you’ll never have to use a vaccine ever again. Doesn’t sound so smart now does it?

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Hey, it's still technically correct. Also: Shhh, don't let the right-wing politicians know.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

If infection was the best protection...then why did 7 million people die? Was it the best protection for them? What about the other deaths caused indirectly? What is it like 20-30 million deaths? They know what they're saying. Fucking evil fucks.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 124 points 3 days ago (5 children)

We all knew infection was the best protection.

Statistically speaking, yes, comparing the group who had had COVID vs the group that was vaccinated, in subsequent COVID infections those who had had the disease were less likely to die.

Because those in the infection group who were most likely to die of COVID had already died. Turns out surviving COVID is a good indicator of your ability to survive COVID.

The statistics on unvaccinated first-time COVID vs vaccinated first-time COVID tells a very different story.

This kind of bullshit frustrates me so much.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Long covid is a thing. And it sucks. I’d rather be vaccinated than end up with long covid.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 33 points 3 days ago

I’d also rather be vaccinated than dead from my first round of COVID. But yes, I know some people suffering from long COVID and it absolutely sucks.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

"Best" if you exclusively optimize for immunity in living patients.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 9 points 3 days ago

Something something B17s.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

While, yes, there's survivorship bias in such statements I think the stats also showed the chances of contracting a second infection was also lower than a vaccinated person contracting a first infection.

That's not really surprising. A vaccinated person's immune system has just seen a single protein, whereas a COVID survivor's immune system has been trained on the whole virus. I would expect it to perform better.

...but the risk of infection Vs vaccination can't be ignored.

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The right is trying to play off people's fears because of course no one wants to take their kid to the doctor and have them cry afterward. It's easy to convince someone who's already emotional, confused, and afraid that there's a boogieman behind it.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Infection is the best protection" sounds fucking crazy

I get the context, I get the point

But it's still crazy

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Its literally the idea behind a vaccine anyway. You are deliberately infected with something that mimics a marker for the virus (or sometimes a deactivated virus) in order for your body to deal with it before it fucking kills you.

These idiots are arguing for vaccines without even knowing it.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's the idea behind Edward Jenner's smallpox vaccine, but only a few modern vaccines give live pathogens, or even neutralised pathogens as vaccines.

The COVID RNA vaccines (e.g. Pfizer/Moderna) contained messenger RNA that gave instructions to your body to construct proteins found on the surface of the COVID virus (specifically the spike proteins). Your immune system would then train itself on them.

You're not getting a small dose of virus, or even any parts of the virus, dead or alive. You're getting instructions on how to make a substance that the virus also contains. It's very impressive tech, but I do worry that it could be given blanket approval post-covid. The RNA instructions are just a delivery mechanism. What matters, from a safety point of view, is what the instructions tell the body to make.

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It's like saying, "The best way to defend yourself from a fight is to intentionally provoke others, then let your ass get kicked when it happens."

Whereas getting vaccinated would be, "Learn self-defense beforehand," with masking and social distancing being, "and avoid getting into fights in the first place."

[–] twjolson@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We tried immunity via infection. Over a million people died.

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 23 points 3 days ago (13 children)

But the survivors did great! You Demoncrats keep hiding the FACTS and SCIENCE 😮‍💨

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Reminder: The neoeugenics movement wants to ban vaccines for the masses, so that the poor will die from preventable diseases.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Disease mutates if left to eat through the masses. It will mutate into something that kills them too. What an idiotic idea, I struggle to believe these people actually think this way.

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[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

My favorite is that these chucklefucks treat COVID like it was all Dr Fauci's fault, as if every major country in the world didn't also have vaccine strategies in place. The moment you explain the rest of the world doing it better than America, they stare at you like deer in headlights.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

remember rand paul is the other SENATOR of kentucky, along with mitch.

[–] OleFoFa@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

So the good folk of Kentucky are represented by one dead senator and the other just brain-dead. I wonder what their internal monologue is convincing themselves that this is something that actually succeeds in "owning the libs"

[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, infection is the best protection... If you survive your first infection, which an awful lot of people didn't, and many more still developed life long disability as a result.

So I think I speak for most when I say I'd rather take the vaccine, so my chances of dying/being hospitalised were way lower if I ever got the real thing.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Has Rand Paul ever gotten a cold? He must have only done so once and now has lifetime immunity.

I remember the time I got the flu. Boy was it awful, but I'm so glad I can't ever get it again.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

medical science has shown that long covid fucks with the brain. now, is this an "easy out" for stupid people, or do we really have to consider it

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