Okay, but most of the male characters look like this:

Why ruin a good game for the so called" male gaze" or “sex sells” thing? why?
... because of the 'sells' part? Game publishers aren't in business to make good games, they're there to make money.
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Okay, but most of the male characters look like this:

Why ruin a good game for the so called" male gaze" or “sex sells” thing? why?
... because of the 'sells' part? Game publishers aren't in business to make good games, they're there to make money.
Not disagreeing, but... have you seen male video game characters? They're less often half-naked, but usually similarly sexualized.
In fact, video edits about male characters' appearance are vastly more popular than the ones about female characters' appearance.
The male characters are also incredibly more unrealistic. At least from my experience. I have yet to meet a guy who looks like Leon Kennedy, Geralt or Adam Jensen. While having met many women who looked exactly like or better than various female game characters.
Some years ago, it may have been the case that female characters were much more sexualized than male characters, due to lack of female gamers. Nowadays though, I feel like it's nearly equal both ways. The difference is in how the characters are portrayed and received by men and women. Both have, on average, different preferences.
The issue isn't really with men, female characters or video games. All industries of our entire society are filled to the brim with porn and erotic material. And that's largely because of capitalism. Porn and anything containing porn sells well. So in a society built around selling and profits, all of that sooner or later becomes the most popular, and the norm.
Capcom literally had a panel filled with women to be absolutely sure they were making Leon as sexy as possible for everyone. He was hand sculpted for one purpose.
Although I slightly disagree about your claim for how women vs men beauty is presented, I do like/agree with your response. Thank you! 🤍
Porn and anything containing porn sells well. So in a society built around selling and profits, all of that sooner or later becomes the most popular, and the norm. This is what makes me sad too, it troubles me to think that porn is so addictive and is being used to sell stuff. It somehow makes me lose faith in myself.
Used to be a porn addict and its been months since I quit. But I cant remove the guilt and shame I have for myself, so maybe this sexualization is only making it worse for me.
Used to be a porn addict and its been months since I quit. But I cant remove the guilt and shame I have for myself, so maybe this sexualization is only making it worse for me.
This is a lot more informing of where your head's at your and how/why you feel this way than your original post implies.
I say this as an alcoholic who was not aware of just how much alcohol pervades culture until I got sober.
Because you're an addict in recovery, you are more likely to see it and take note of it being egregious whereas previously you probably didn't really notice/accepted it as normal.
The sexualization of so many things in our culture didn't change, you did, and that's important to keep in mind.
Best of luck in your continued recovery, from one addict to another.
For me the problem here is that the only characters that are sexualised are women. If the game is sexual, then just add the beautiful naked guys. I am sure that this move will double the audience (i am the audience).
In a lot of games the men are not exactly realisticly sized either. They aren't often as sexualized as the women, but most are max 15% body fat and shredded to the point that they'd need steroids in real life.
i miss 70s and 80s male sexualization

Dummy thicc Solid Snakes clapping cheeks come to mind.
That Marvel wannabe Overwatch video game puts women in tons of skimpy outfits but those men's asses and chests are on display as well in skintight outfits.
"It's like I'm wearing nothing at all."
...stupid sexy Flanders.
I always hate looking at pictures of dudes who are roided to the eyes and almost dangerously dehydrated; it just looks painful like I could poke them and they'd bruise.
the difference is that the bodybuilder aesthetic isn't usually what women are into. Nothing inherently wrong with it of course but it's still built for the male gaze. If you ask a gym buff IRL about it they'll tell you most people who notice their physique are men. The shredded video game dude can instead be thought of as a signifier of masculinity and sometimes as a fantasy for men to project themselves into while playing.
I don't think the washboard abs and boulder shoulders would disappear entirely if male characters were designed more for the female gaze, but we'd probably see some more dad bods and smaller dudes too. Hades comes to mind as an example.
It's interesting that people will find issue with sex appeal and unrealistic body proportions in fantasy media but are fine with everything else unrealistic about fantasy. I think the real issue is the unrealistic expectations people put on themselves and others because they can't separate fantasy from reality.
I will never be as buff and chiseled as batman.
My issue is that it's shoved in where it's not needed. Sexy characters where appropriate makes sense. Random panty shots in an action scene don't.
That pantyshot tendency I think is a greater Anime thing than a video game thing.
But if we are talking a fighting game like Street Fighter or something: those are like Luchadore and Professional wrestling. Those are costumes and the sex appeal is usually the point.
But then you have games like Nier that just have lingerie dolls as main characters.
Appropriate sexiness is extremely hard to pin down.
People don't just accept everything unrealistic about fantasy though, you can find plenty of complaints about inconsistencies in world building. Having completely fictional aspects like magic or dragons that work by specific rules within the narrative isn't the same as taking real world creatures and hypersexualising them.
I have kinda realized that this stuff is everywhere, not just in games and the "female gaze" is just as unrealistic in portraying men, it just isn't (as much) sexual. Read any romance book aimed at women and you know what I mean. There are very few men who can live up to being a hot billionaire werewolf!
Jokes aside, even "reasonable" standards are still something only like 5-10% of men could live up to. Even in lesbian and gay romance books you will find strange and unrealistic standards.
Humans just love dreaming about having a hotty in bed... Probably better if we don't encourage it, but catering to people's appetite sells better than selling something healthy... Ask any food industry.
It is because people make stuff mostly to make money or to make their own fantasies come "true". Hardly anyone out there is making media for "educational" purpose and where everything is realistic and proportional.
Hell that's just real life, we consume media to escape "realistic and proportional" because that's just ordinary and boring!
women and men are sexualized in all sorts of media, unrealistically. and folks love it.
why do you care so much about this to the point it is causing you self-negativity? do you like enjoy it and think you shouldn't?
As someone raised evangelical, this was me before realizing my honest attempt to live and breathe the Bible were incredibly self-destructive. When your life is ruled by guilt, shame, you end up despising the things that make you human.
One of my favorite games of all time is Neir Automata and I don't admit that to normies because it just makes me look like a fucking pervert because of how oversexualized 2B and A2 are.
It genuinely distracts from a beautiful story. It makes it less impactful.
I found the constant almost upskirt shots to be distracting tbh. I thought they were kinda cool at first from an animation stand point but that feeling wore off pretty quick. I think it would have been better if they kept shots like that to a minimum, it would make the times it does happen stand out a lot more.
Not sure why an "off the chest" post would get downvotes (perhaps they suspect virtue signalling) but glad you shared.
For-profit companies and even indie devs gravitate toward the demand. I don't play many games that have this trait but even wow has its share of female thongs and chainmail pushup bras. The fact that its widely accepted and very rarely frowned upon let's you know that they e nailed their target demographic.
But... Quiet needs sunlight on her bare skin to live, so an almost naked sniper makes perfect sense! Think about women's health!!
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In "Satisfactory" the main character (The Pioneer) is dressed head to toe in a sort of spacesuit/coveralls/work boots combo. You can sort of tell that there might be a woman inside the suit.
There are counter examples
BG3 is a fabulous one. Asterion is sultry and seductive. Raphael is sexy as hell, and so is his succubus. TBH there was a lot of male nudity and sexiness.
Meanwhile, Karlach and Laezel are just badasses. Never once did I feel that squick from them being overly sexualized.
Have you seen the incels? They have nervous breakdowns over peach fuzz.
I just saw that post to lol
If it's third-person and I'm going to be staring at my character's ass for 30+ hours, might as well pick a nice one
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I feel like a hypocrite and a loser.
I don't think you're a loser, you have a valid point. It is a genuine issue. Check out this fucked up shit.
I would prefer equality over stifling content, however. Put the men in skimpy outfits and give them jiggle physics. Optionally make it possible to tone it down.
Im sorta surprised games don't do something like this. Have an option for male and female clothing levels in the game. I feel like the coding would not be massive and suddenly you can bring in horndogs of every persuasion.
Coding would be simple, the art wouldn't. You would have to make multiple clothing assets for each character/clothing set. It would be expensive and there is no evidence it would help sell more games
I super liked Horizon: Zero Dawn because they refused to sexualize Aloy. There is only one outfit that shows bare midrif, and it's not accessible until mid-game. Male characters would hit on her and she'd generally respond like she didn't understand what was going on.
But then I didn't like the "changes" for the sequel. It felt kinda cheap for them to suddenly be
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"Oh no, she is a lesbian actually"
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