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The lawsuit alleges that ChatGPT destroyed the mental stability of Christian Faith Madison, a 29-year-old Alabama resident.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 80 points 1 month ago (7 children)

In a normal world, having a product that drives humans to suicidal or homicidal behavior results in that product getting pulled from the market.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago

Whisky has entered the chat

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Unless it’s guns then entire countries base their personalities on them.

[–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (11 children)

You could make the argument that guns have more responsibilities tied to them.

If you where to leave a loaded gun out on the table, and someone where to steal it off your table you would also be held liable for the crime because it wasn't locked away in a gun safe unloaded.

LLMs are the equivalent of handing out a loaded gun to everyone for free, even if they adamantly don't want one.

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[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] DonPiano@feddit.org 51 points 1 month ago (3 children)

.. Her name was Christian Faith?

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

The C in TESCREAL stands for "Christian" y'know. /s

But given that the whole LLM eschatology is reskinned Christianity, I can see why it sucks people in.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

I wonder if the lawyers pretend that's what confused the chatbot

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 month ago

Nominative determinism.

[–] bampop@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The law really needs to catch up with these developments. AI companies are selling the illusion of talking to an intelligence, then when it goes wrong hiding behind the fact that it's just a machine designed to spew out bullshit. They know damn well how compelling that illusion is.

They should be held to the same standard as any person who behaves as their LLM behaves. It's fair to attribute the intent to kill since outcomes like this are built into the product. If you set off a bomb in a crowded market place you would not be able to legally defend that by claiming you just wanted to put on a firework display and didn't know it would kill anyone. LLMs are lethal by design, not in all cases but definitely in some. If you make a product which fools people into thinking it is impartial, responsible and aware of what it is saying, which actively cultivates delusions and encourages vulnerable people to kill themselves and others, that's 100% your responsibility. There should be huge legal consequences for this kind of thing.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (10 children)

The base problem isn't the technology. It's a basic lack of critical thinking, which isn't taught anymore because it's got a liberal bias, or some shit.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

These people aren't lacking critical thinking skills as much as they have strong mental health issues that the chatbots are reinforcing.

If a person reinforces someone's delusions and encourages self harm they can legally be held accountable. Technology should be held to the same standard.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What a breathtakingly stupid comment.

When the technology recommends suicide, the technology is a big fucking problem.

And by the way, simply looking at prior cases where someone goads another until they kill themselves, will show that the "they should have thought critically" defense is fucking worthless.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

You can't think critically in lizard brain and that's what takes over when you're really upset. It doesn't matter what you know, most of your brain is powerless.

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[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

If you look back on your own life, I can guarantee you there will have been times where it would have been better had you thought more critically about things, but failed to do so for any number of reasons; social pressure, you were tired, your emotional state didn't give you the leeway, you were swept up in the mood etc. Critical thinking is an important skill to have, one that unfortunately, too few people have (usually through no fault of their own), but nobody does it every waking moment. Everyone will inevitably have moments of weakness.

Technology exists in reality, it needs to be able to deal with reality as it is, not what it ideally would be.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Speaking as someone who has major depressive disorder, we are slaves to the hormones in our brains. You can't think your way out of a broken emotional response. You either ride it out and live long enough to get on medication, or you don't. It's just as serious, and as deadly, as diabetes or heart failure in some people.

Like avoiding sugar when you are diabetic, people with severe mental illnesses should avoid chatbots. Unfortunately, neither sugar nor chatbots are regulated, because both are subtly addictive to a normal person and deadly to an ill person.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Prozac was supposed to be "like insulin for diabetics" because serotonin-defiiciency caused depression. But later research showed that serotonin has no relationship to depression and that most anti-depressants do little better than an ACTIVE placebo.

Thyroid problems can cause symptoms of depression, though.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago

The technology itself is a major cause of deteriorating critical thinking

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Wow, you solved mental illness! All we have to do is teach critical thinking!

[–] RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (11 children)

The base problem is the technology.

Technology exists to serve us. If it murders us, even if we tell it to, it is the problem.

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If everyone had perfect thinking, no one would ever start smoking. Yet we regulate the Hell out of cigarettes. Sometimes we need consumer protection regulations to prevent companies from preying on people's weaknesses.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Everybody's critical thinking has a vulnerability. People with college degrees fall for cons more often, scammers love doctors and engineers.

Some people get disgusted when a machine kisses their ass, other people are repelled. I'm in the latter category for whatever reason (I'm completely helpless before short dommy women, so I guess that's the trade-off).

I think that basic thing, when GPT says "great point!", whether that is a positive experience for the recipient, determines more about their risk of AI psychosis than anything else.

Old men seem particularly vulnerable to flattery attached to a young woman's voice.

[–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

There's just "smart people" scams when you get enough money.

Its like those ceos who have their own podcasts to make you feel like you're important and in the know when really theyre just selling you what is essentially a self help book. Or a 15 part lecture on how to become their clip farmer, or be some drop shipper I'd you become part of their MLM scheme. Or just straight up lying to their audience and encouraging to make bets on kalshi that they hedge against.

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[–] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

Well, OK, but was her soul within its system?

—AI apologist, probably

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I was raised atheist (thank god), what does "Her Soul Was Within Its System" mean?

[–] solidus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

What are we doing to our society? Why are we so obsessed with 'advancement' and 'innovation' at the expense of our own health and biological needs? I really fear for the future if we cannot get control of these tech billionaires who insist on experimenting with regular peoples lives in order to live out some post-humanist power fantasy. As a kid, Total Recall and Terminator were always some of my favorite movies, because I loved the ridiculousness of the technocratic, oligarchical world they created. Now its not so funny....

[–] mynameisbob@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

but but the Nonprofit Current AI is racing to build the World Wide Web of AI, free for all. Oh the spin doctors spin.... of cource its free, It is the corpo drag net your digital prision. We are surrounded by space trash, corpo pedos and crapitalism. I recomend STOP breeding breeders.

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