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The lawsuit alleges that ChatGPT destroyed the mental stability of Christian Faith Madison, a 29-year-old Alabama resident.

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[–] bampop@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The law really needs to catch up with these developments. AI companies are selling the illusion of talking to an intelligence, then when it goes wrong hiding behind the fact that it's just a machine designed to spew out bullshit. They know damn well how compelling that illusion is.

They should be held to the same standard as any person who behaves as their LLM behaves. It's fair to attribute the intent to kill since outcomes like this are built into the product. If you set off a bomb in a crowded market place you would not be able to legally defend that by claiming you just wanted to put on a firework display and didn't know it would kill anyone. LLMs are lethal by design, not in all cases but definitely in some. If you make a product which fools people into thinking it is impartial, responsible and aware of what it is saying, which actively cultivates delusions and encourages vulnerable people to kill themselves and others, that's 100% your responsibility. There should be huge legal consequences for this kind of thing.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I was raised atheist (thank god), what does "Her Soul Was Within Its System" mean?

[–] MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 80 points 5 days ago (6 children)

In a normal world, having a product that drives humans to suicidal or homicidal behavior results in that product getting pulled from the market.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 days ago

Whisky has entered the chat

[–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean not in the US. Guns would have long been pulled off if that was the case. Same with booze and a million other things.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Unless it’s guns then entire countries base their personalities on them.

[–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago (11 children)

You could make the argument that guns have more responsibilities tied to them.

If you where to leave a loaded gun out on the table, and someone where to steal it off your table you would also be held liable for the crime because it wasn't locked away in a gun safe unloaded.

LLMs are the equivalent of handing out a loaded gun to everyone for free, even if they adamantly don't want one.

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[–] DonPiano@feddit.org 50 points 5 days ago (3 children)

.. Her name was Christian Faith?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 4 days ago

Nominative determinism.

I wonder if the lawyers pretend that's what confused the chatbot

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

The C in TESCREAL stands for "Christian" y'know. /s

But given that the whole LLM eschatology is reskinned Christianity, I can see why it sucks people in.

[–] solidus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

What are we doing to our society? Why are we so obsessed with 'advancement' and 'innovation' at the expense of our own health and biological needs? I really fear for the future if we cannot get control of these tech billionaires who insist on experimenting with regular peoples lives in order to live out some post-humanist power fantasy. As a kid, Total Recall and Terminator were always some of my favorite movies, because I loved the ridiculousness of the technocratic, oligarchical world they created. Now its not so funny....

[–] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 days ago

Well, OK, but was her soul within its system?

—AI apologist, probably

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (12 children)

The base problem isn't the technology. It's a basic lack of critical thinking, which isn't taught anymore because it's got a liberal bias, or some shit.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 44 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

These people aren't lacking critical thinking skills as much as they have strong mental health issues that the chatbots are reinforcing.

If a person reinforces someone's delusions and encourages self harm they can legally be held accountable. Technology should be held to the same standard.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 38 points 5 days ago (6 children)

What a breathtakingly stupid comment.

When the technology recommends suicide, the technology is a big fucking problem.

And by the way, simply looking at prior cases where someone goads another until they kill themselves, will show that the "they should have thought critically" defense is fucking worthless.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Speaking as someone who has major depressive disorder, we are slaves to the hormones in our brains. You can't think your way out of a broken emotional response. You either ride it out and live long enough to get on medication, or you don't. It's just as serious, and as deadly, as diabetes or heart failure in some people.

Like avoiding sugar when you are diabetic, people with severe mental illnesses should avoid chatbots. Unfortunately, neither sugar nor chatbots are regulated, because both are subtly addictive to a normal person and deadly to an ill person.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Prozac was supposed to be "like insulin for diabetics" because serotonin-defiiciency caused depression. But later research showed that serotonin has no relationship to depression and that most anti-depressants do little better than an ACTIVE placebo.

Thyroid problems can cause symptoms of depression, though.

[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 10 points 5 days ago

If you look back on your own life, I can guarantee you there will have been times where it would have been better had you thought more critically about things, but failed to do so for any number of reasons; social pressure, you were tired, your emotional state didn't give you the leeway, you were swept up in the mood etc. Critical thinking is an important skill to have, one that unfortunately, too few people have (usually through no fault of their own), but nobody does it every waking moment. Everyone will inevitably have moments of weakness.

Technology exists in reality, it needs to be able to deal with reality as it is, not what it ideally would be.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 days ago

The technology itself is a major cause of deteriorating critical thinking

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago

Wow, you solved mental illness! All we have to do is teach critical thinking!

[–] RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (11 children)

The base problem is the technology.

Technology exists to serve us. If it murders us, even if we tell it to, it is the problem.

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