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EXCLUSIVE: EU could announce social media ban for kids in September

Von der Leyen is expected to use her annual State of the Union speech to unveil plans for EU-wide age restrictions on social media

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 28 minutes ago

What a disgusting rage bait title.

Please no matter the news do not invite others to give up. You might be totally depleted. You might have fought teeth and nails against problems but if you want to give up let others try.

This is deeply problematic and of course precisely helps those you do agree with.

Do not fall prey to learned helplessness.

If politicians and lobbyists can keep on proposing a law until it goes through, so can we, including the very politicians who do not represent our views.

The situation might be bleak and I can understand the frustration but this kind of title is not helping.

[–] ZiClaud@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

I mean, kids are smart when it comes to technology, some even more than me who got a degree in computer science.

They'll find an alternative, maybe they'll to go back to personal websites, or join the fediverse, who knows.

Imma stay optimistic

[–] Dymonika@beehaw.org 3 points 23 hours ago

I've been trying to capitalize on the commotion about all this in /r/privacy to bring more people to Lemmy. I've converted at least one redditor already!

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It should be dependent on the sites offering adult material to have an account with a login. All other non-adult sites keep operating as before and kids can peruse freely. If a kid steals a password that's a kid thing, not a system thing. Nothing is foolproof and people get slapped in the face with shit they don't want to see all the time. Education and proper implementation is the key, not restriction and censorship.

[–] mineralman@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Adoption is perhaps the impetus needed for common sense to prevail. If everyone keeps spending all their money at a partcular casino, they aren't going to change a thing. But if everyone stopped coming, you can be damn sure they start looking at what they can reform. Nothing improves if people don't start to care about the security of their PII. That's a huge rock.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah. For sure. Nothing is simply black and white anymore. Lots to consider.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For one, they want all our data, they want to know all we do online.

For other, they found out children who grew exposed to people's opinions online grows more critical that kids that grew on they caged propaganda. Not good for their business to have citizens that can actually think.

[–] acron@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So your take is that social media is actually good for kids? Any citation for this?

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Without access to that the children view of the world gets limited by what their parent's and their government said. It's just basic logic .

Anyway if you want to talk in papers,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763/

This says that social media have both GOOD and BAD effects on kids and teenagers. Both.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

While this is obviously bad, I don't think there's ever really a total win or loss when it comes to this stuff. It's a constant fight. They'll bring shit like this in and it'll seem hopeless, then someone will bypass it and it'll go back and forth. Same as ad blocking or DRM or countless other things.

It'd be nice to not have to deal with it in the first place, but we'll deal with it sooner or later I'm sure.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 days ago

It's not an age restriction. It's a mandatory ID for everybody. They know we hate them, and are afraid. Perhaps they should make a law against killer drones instead.

[–] Ankkuli@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I hate EU. Nothing but bad news from them.

[–] thanksforreading@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There is a difference between psyops that make you think EU only does bad things and reality. EU has been the most successful peace project in history. It has lifted millions of people out of poverty too. There will always be political tensions and work to be done. We can never rest on our laurels but if you honestly believe what you wrote, then congrats you've been brainwashed by the Epstein class.

[–] trilobite@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know where u live but EU brings good things too. Go and ask the Brits who are mourning the departure they voted for 10 years ago. Of course there are a lot of things that could be improved but that is the responsibility of us citizens.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

African folks love the kindness of Europeans.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

African folks love the kindness of Europeans.

... is a statement which, even if correct, contributes absolutely nothing to the current debate. Feel free to open your own thread about it.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Are you trying to instruct me as an European? The posts above were about good and bad things in the EU and people who wanted to be accepted into it. Don't close your eyes when convenient.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As an American, I envy their news

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Literally 1984. Those who will refuse to verify will be limited, thus they will be information restricted.

[–] thanksforreading@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not even close. This will fragment the internet and take power away from surveillance capitalists. A huge amount of people will simply disengage from the Epstein class brainwashing. I'm looking forward to it. The internet used to be way more interesting and fun when it was fragmented.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago

They ruined it now

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Maybe more akin to Brave New World, and the "savages" who don't live in the fucked up society they created.

Just minus the soma holidays

[–] lemmylemonade@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Can we not stay up to date with what is happening without owning a social media account? I think the only thing we are missing is social media trends that change frequently.

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[–] GMac@feddit.org 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Should be banning endless manipulative opaque algorithmic presentations for everyone.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. Honestly. For platforms like Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, mandate chronological feeds of only people you have followed, paginated at like 30.

[–] GMac@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And mandate they integrate with interoperability standards like activitypub etc so if they start manipulating feeds then we can just exit stage left without losing contact with people we like.

But... That would force them to provide a great user experience in order to retain users!! That's an unacceptable burden on the largest companies in the world!!

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Require age verification only if you want to get algorithmic recommendations. That way you can still engage in the social internet anonymously as an adult.

The recommendation algorithms give American big tech way too much political sway in Europe and ideally they should be banned entirely, but age verification at least gives the appearance that this is "for the children" and not something with (justifiable) political motivations.

[–] GMac@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago

But its not age verification thats actually being implemented. It's identity verification mislabelled to take advantage of dumb legislation with yet more privacy over reach.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So how is that going to work exactly?

Facebook is easy, you force the company or block it.

But how about, say, Lemmy, or other self hosted places maybe where where people do use their real names? How is any of this supposed to work?

But how about, say, Lemmy, or other self hosted places

Well... how many Lemmy instances are hosted in the EU, Canada, USA, Australia, UK, ...? They can be threatened under the full power of the state, unless they req ID checks.

OK, you may say, just use one in Tuvalu! But someone below mentioned it. Govs will not think, gosh darn it! I guess we got foiled by those rascally nerds! Pack it up guys, we lost! No, they will double down. They will create national firewalls. VPN bans. Already the UK, and Utah in the USA are pushing for VPN bans. They will make examples of people, to deter the rest.

It's very hard to solve political probs with technical methods.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I would never have believed it possible that almost all politicians of ostensibly democratic countries almost simultaneously agree to prevent young people from having fun, being happy and finding meaning and fulfillment in their lives. How do these people think of themselves as the good guys?

[–] huf@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

you're shocked that the countries that love to bomb children abroad also dont like children at home?

also the epstein stuff.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (8 children)

to prevent young people from having fun, being happy and finding meaning and fulfillment in their lives.

Hasn't virtually every single study ever performed on the subject found a strong, direct link between unhappiness and social media use?

[–] huey_m@reddthat.com 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Depends what counts as social media. YouTube could very much be implicated as a social media. Reddit/Lemmy obviously. There's a ton of legitimately educational material on both platforms. What about Steam? With chat/friends/community function, isn't that a social media? Where is the line drawn?

How well have these studies accounted for neuro-divergence in kids (something Europe has generally done a pretty poor job accommodating)? What about kids with certain disabilities that put them indoors often if not essentially always? Isn't the isolation worse for their mental health?

Is there not some point at which you really do just have to depend on parents being parents? I accept that some state involvement is necessary sometimes, but this really feels pretty solidly in the purview of something that should be up to parental judgement.

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