So all law is evil by atheist definition then?
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I’ve always hated this question, because christians like the guy in the picture don’t draw their morality from the bible. They decide on their moral framework, then read the bible to find verses that support it. I don’t see anyone adhering to the mixed thread fabrics rule.
I never buy blended fabrics. I didn't take much else from the bible except for the rule on blended fabrics, and the verse about a bear that mauled 42 boys for mocking a bald guy. These are the only lessons I live by.
Ezekiel 23:20 is my daily affirmation
At least I know why they're anti-gay now.
A radical new take on religion, I dig it.
My favorite answer is a question: So without God, you would murder, rape and steal? No? Well, then it seems to me you don't need God to know what is morally correct.
Unless they say yes...
Even better...
I already commit all the rapes and thefts I want to commit. 0. If you actually want to rape/steal than you're probably too far gone for Christ's forgiveness anyways.
If you actually want to rape/steal than you're probably too far gone for Christ's forgiveness anyways.
Unfortunately they tell themselves that Jesus forgives all, so they don't think they have to deal with consequences of their actions
That the point : we are choosing
Actually, applying a dogma is not being a good jew/christian/muslim. Theologists justify almost everything in "God let us choose between Good and Evil". Ironically, their is many learning in the thora/bible/quran that underline the need to not being dogmatic
I've thought about this a lot actually, but I figured it out. So when you're presented with a good choice and a bad choice, you go for the good one. Works every time.
I had a guy I worked with ask me “ if you don’t believe in god whats stopping you from raping and murdering people?” I said “because I don’t want to do any of those things” I definitely looked at that dude weird after that
The irony is that empathy is such a foreign concept, yet "love thy brother" is kind of a big highlight to that whole Bible thing.
If you need the threat of eternal punishment to be a good person, then you are not a good person.
This argument is the same that Kant made. Kant defended the notion that a person should do the correct thing for the sole reason that it is the correct thing.
Like putting the shopping cart back where it belongs
I love what Penn Jillette has to say on the subject:
I HAVE ALREADY KILLED AND RAPED EVERY SINGLE PERSON I ACTUALLY WANT TO KILL AND RAPE.
The number of my victims is ZERO, and if your number is not zero you are sick and should be kept away from society.
I agree with Penn, but I can't help but think that if I was given a Death Note, I would feel morally obligated to write quite a few names in it. Names of people who are personally responsible for a great amount of suffering in the world.
It's not that I want to kill people. It's that if I had a guaranteed way of stopping these people with no personal risk, I would feel obligated to do so, even if it meant killing them.
Fair. But different than "wanting to kill" someone. You want to remove harm. Like the whole purpose of prison, leper colonies, community shaming, etc
Killing in defense of innocent people is morally upright nearly without question, so you’d be clean either way.
But I’m with you that if I had a death note things would he different.
Someone make a spin of that old capitalist mindset meme with the button "press to get 1 million bucks but a random person dies" and they spam the shit out of it. But now it's you (and me) hammering away at that "you get nothing but a random billionaire or pedophile dies" buzzer.
That’s kind of the second part, about removing them from society. Death is one mechanism for achieving that.
A lot of those religious types scare me that one of the first things they'd do without consequences is murder and rape.
I helped out a random stranger the other day. Not gonna tell the long story but He kept saying God must have guided me and God must be looking out for me too.
I didn't want to get into with him but No bro. I helped you because I saw you needed help. And figured I was in a position to do so. I had some extra time that day and just happened to be where you were.
Wasn't God.
I help people when I can because why not ? The relief on someone's face is enough payment. Plus I feel guilty when I don't help when I can. Not from fear of damnation but my empathy requires I do something.
Strangers have helped me in the past. I know how much of a difference that can make.
It's just frustrating to have your own "good" behaviors constantly assumed to be caused by God.
No. I chose to help. Me. No one else was involved. Isn't that a better lesson anyway? That there are people who help from a place of support rather than fear of judgement. ?
Next time you can say "God got you in trouble"
Lmfao that's my name and I even kind of look like that, I was really confused for a second
just follow the golden rule :)
