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    [–] dismay3915@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    I honestly like folders better. It's one of the few good things from windows.

    Files are in folders. That makes so much sense.

    [–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Not any more. I had a student not that long ago ask about the metaphor, ended up having to explain to the whole class what physical files and folders were.

    [–] dismay3915@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

    I don't wanna be that guy but are these kids becoming really dumb? When I was a kid or teen I still knew about things that were in at least 2 3 decades before me, I even knew how to use them. I don't know how to explain it but I feel like the new generation are so disconnected from the real world and live in a bubble, their domain and depth of knowledge is really bad.

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    [–] 4grams@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Jokes on them, I’ve been a windows guy so long they have always been directories; I started in the dos days.

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    [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Most file managers on Linux, like GNOME or KDE have the option "New Folder". It's fine to use them interchangeably, y'all.

    [–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    imo, directory refers to the filesystem concept, folder refers to the UI concept

    [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Yeah, but if the UI refers to the same file system's directories also as folders, why do people get so bent out of shape when you call them either?

    [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

    Everyone's gotta have a hobby.

    [–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    In KDE, when right-click menu gives you an option for a new "folder". I will call it a folder.

    [–] Jack@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

    The Xfce file manager, Thunar (4.18 with en-US as language), also has "Create Folder..." under the File menu, and in some contexts in the right-click menu.

    Under Preferences, Behavior, it has both "directory" and "folders".

    man ls uses "directory" only tho.

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    [–] fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip 32 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    linux users when they walk into a room:

    ls

    windows users when they walk into a room

    DIR

    [–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 9 points 3 days ago

    cd

    ls

    ls

    What was I doing again?

    ls

    lsd

    You start tripping out

    [–] ian@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

    I guess most Windows users don't know what DIR is or even where to use it.

    "Do you use DIR?"
    User: "Do I use what? And don't call me dear."

    Opening a folder in Explorer automatically shows the contents, saving the need for an extra step.

    [–] ian@feddit.uk 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)


    Here is a container of DIR.
    Which is called a pen! Hmmm.

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    [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    wait, windows uses folder?

    i've been saying directory since DOS. CD means Change Directory.

    [–] lordziv@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 days ago

    Also dir to list director contents

    [–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Dont windows also have a rmdir

    I dont know if there are any commands with folder ? Maybe it was a marketing stunt somewhere along the way

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    [–] febrile@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)
    [–] meathorse@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    I feel this deep. Coming around full circle over the past 30-odd years.

    Cutting my teeth mucking around and learning DOS 5 with friends on my families first PC, they were directories. Migrating to a support career where everything is stored in folders and now coming out the other side abandoning windows altogether and I'm back to calling everything directories again!

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    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I use either term. "Directory" is a weird term honestly. I accept it and use it often, but folder finds does make more sense honestly.

    [–] ian@feddit.uk 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

    Yes, a directory is a list of items. Like a telephone directory. A folder is a container of items.

    In 2009 I added Folder to the Wikipedia page Directory (computing) Explaining the Folder Metaphor in both English and German (Verzeichnis/Ordner). My clarification has been tweaked and altered slightly to bring it into line with Wikipedia standards, but it has stood the test of time.

    I always use the term folder in Linux circles when referring to a container of things. It's useful to stress the importance of the user interface, which is often misunderstood by many there. Be proud!

    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

    Firstly, thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. And yeah those are the two ways I've thought of those terms. What's weird to me is that saying "directory" to refer to the containing object does sound like you're referring to just the listing itself, as you said, which is ever-changing metadata and to my knowledge that is not stored in/on the folder itself, it would be in the ...whatever equivalent of file allocation tables are now. But, since so many people say directory I've learned to use it interchangeably with folder. Directory feels more technical and somehow more closely attached to the concept of a path. I dunno, words are weird!

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    [–] eah@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Folder is better. On disk, a folder is a list of pairs of a name and number, mapping the items in the folder to their location on the disk i.e. it's a directory. The days before computerization are before my time, but, as I understand it, library index cards worked this way. You might have a card for each author which listed the books by that author with the location of the index card on that book, and you might have directory cards on subjects or keywords too, and the card on a book might point to the location of the book on the shelf and the card for the author, etc., or something like that. It would be most confusing to call these directory cards "folders". The computer does the same thing internally, but the user interface has hidden away any notion of directory. They're logically folders. It's only a directory if you're writing a file system implementation.

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    [–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

    Directory is four syllables. Folder is two. Shorter wins.

    [–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 11 points 3 days ago (9 children)

    When you call it the windows key

    [–] Johanno@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

    I bought tux stickers to stick them onto the windows icon of my keyboard. However it is a lighted one. So you had tux on top and in a red light the windows icon shined through. It was even more cursed that way.

    [–] embed_me@programming.dev 6 points 3 days ago

    What? You expect me to use "Super" out there in the wild and not look crazy?

    [–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    Microsoft is the one that forced manufacturers to add it, or they couldn't advertise their keyboard as being "Designed for Windows 95", as it is required for the shortcuts (e.g win + d shows the desktop). The "Menu" key was added at the same time so that the Win 95 UI could be navigated without a mouse.

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    [–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    As an old person who started on MS-DOS, I've always said "directory", and "program". I had trouble switching to "folder" and then more recently "app". I'm happy to have switched to Linux a couple of years ago so I can just say directory again. The word app, short for application, came from Apple, with the iPhone. No doubt they also liked that is the first three letters of Apple, too. It was specifically for the little programs that ran on iPhone, not meant to replace "program" across the board. But, here we are. Also, "web app" was used to refer to those websites or pages that worked like apps on iPhones, before apps became commonplace. Now, everything from Notes to Photoshop is an "app".

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    [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

    Used to be like this but now I disagree. I intentionally use fake jeers instead of Linux directories or gitlab groups.

    Folders are distinct and meaningful, while directories and groups have multiple meanings not clear without context.

    [–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    I pronounce "folder" the same way I pronounce "solder", cuz I'm just badass that way.

    [–] trk@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Wait, how else do you pronounce it?

    [–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

    I'm an American, let me help. It's pronounced saw-dur.

    [–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Americans say solder as sorder for some reason.

    [–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago

    I have also heard it as Sodder, especially when they say 'soddering iron'. Makes my eye twitch

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    [–] nullspace@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

    If I'm dealing with text, it's a directory. If I'm clicking around, it's a folder.

    [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    "Task Manager, my beloved"

    "I'm System Monitor now" (Arch+KDE)

    "Apologies. System Monitor, my beloved"

    Also, the bottom bar with icons and stuff is called "Task Manager" on KDE, which is mildly confusing

    [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    In spanish wy kind of use both interchangeably... carpeta, directorio.

    [–] FedX@quokk.au 8 points 3 days ago

    Me, earlier today, referring to Niri as a desktop instead of a "window manager," which is also wrong as it's a Wayland compositor.

    [–] inari@piefed.zip 8 points 3 days ago

    Too late, you're gonna get corrected by 4 people

    [–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I've only seriously been on linux for about 6 months. It's been longer but as far as actually doing the low level linux user stuff in the terminal? - 6 months. Saying 'directory' just sort of happens once you start tinkering in any meaningful way.

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