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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 97 points 2 days ago (25 children)

For the people who didn't read the article - apparently everyone in this thread - the reason for the postponement is not Trump's comments, despite how the headline makes it sound.

Iran are smart enough to let Trump mouth off. What killed the talks is that Israel killed a bunch more people in Lebanon today.

This was inevitable. Iran wants a muzzled Israel as a condition of the war ending. Israel doesn't want the war to end with anything less than the total destruction of Iran (they certainly don't want a capitulation that actually leaves Iran stronger). So Israel are going to deliberately break the ceasefire until one of three things happens;

  1. Iran stops calling them on it (there is zero evidence that this will happen).
  2. Trump gives up on peace and commits to a full scale invasion.
  3. Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

As I've noted elsewhere, this war isn't remotely close to over. US vs Iran was the pre-show. Defeating AIPAC's iron grip on US politics is the main event.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

Does he realize he could just bomb israel instead? Is he stupid?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago
[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Annoyingly, it's technically accurate, but extremely misleading.

If I say my friend died after eating at Arby's, while neglecting to mention the part where he went to a bar, got stinking drunk and wrapped his car around a tree, the entire statement is technically true. Those events did happen, in that order. He certainly didn't die before eating at Arby's. But there's an implied cause and effect that has nothing to do with the reality.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

The fortune teller gave me some grim news, she said that I’m going to die after eating at Arby’s 8(. I haven’t been to one in decades but now I’ll never go back for sure.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  1. trump declares mission accomplished and invades cuba so he can feel stronk.
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That doesn't solve the strait, and the US is about a month away from having too little crude oil to actually run their refineries (you have to maintain a certain pressure level in the pipes or the whole system stops). We haven't seen the real oil crisis yet. The real oil crisis is 10x gas prices, rationing, grounded planes... It would be cataclysmic.

Trump has to pick an option here. If declaring victory and walking away was possible he would have done it already.

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago

I'd unconditionally surrender if I had to change nothing and receive 300 billion.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Mighty morphin taco time!

[–] Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app 75 points 2 days ago

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

[–] UncleArthur@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is the terrifying bit to me, FTA:

In his latest interview, Trump told Axios that there are “no limits” to his power and the peace deal is “probably is unconditional surrender” of Iran.

Trump was asked what the conflict had taught him about the limits of his power. Trump replied: "I haven't learned that lesson yet. I know there are, but there are no limits."

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah. He is either incredibly delusional about what is going on or his administration is really great at keeping him in the dark.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

He keeps himself in the dark, because his brain doesn’t work.

Both because of dementia and because of life long narcissism at least.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

It would be incredibly sad if it didn’t have such widespread consequences. He always was a dumb narcissist, but he really is deteriorating mentally quickly in the past year, and he never was that bright to begin with. He should be in an elderly home, not the oval office.

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[–] Bogus007@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sounds a bit like this Austrian painter. He also thought that there is no limit.

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[–] redsand@infosec.pub 51 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not like Israel was ever going to get on board anyway. Deal was dead from day 1. Same pump n dump every week

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 14 points 2 days ago (16 children)

America holds the leash; Israel depends on America's diplomatic, military, and financial support to continue existing. Every time a US president has tugged at the leash, Israel has come to heel.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is the smallest president we've ever had.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Plus he is 100% compromised, there is no way they don't have blackmail on him. Given his (the shitbirds) history, both recent and ancient, I wonder what type of blackmail would actually change the minds of his supporters or convince the US to actually pursue justice on his stained ass.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

Epstein was literally an Israeli political operative. They know where every single body is buried.

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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tehran Surrender

Wrong.

Unconditional

Also wrong.

Conditional US Surrender

There it is.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

He promised unconditional surrender, the media is saying he did not deliver that, and he looks like a bitch, which he is, and so now is just guiding his sheep and trolls and thralls to pretend he won so he doesn't look like a bitch.

He's not fooling anyone outside the flock though. President dickhead is a bitch. He's Israel's bitch.

[–] com@mander.xyz 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What can be done about these terrible click-bait "news" headlines? It's just awful. A high school newspaper has more accurate headlines. Personally, I'd like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.

Maybe there is a news instance that doesn't allow this. I'll be outside shouting at clouds.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I'd like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.

then nothing would be posted.

I don't disagree with your point that editorialized headlines are just awful, but if you were to ban sources based on this criteria on lemmy, the information just wouldn't be posted on lemmy.

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[–] Wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 days ago

Hahahahahahahaha fucking hell

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He single handedly save the US from the jaws of success

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Oh dear, is he really going to fail at failing?

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Ah what a waste of time and money for everyone

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago

Fucking idiot.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The remaining Orange's free brain cells did an unconditional surrender.

Really makes you feel for the attempted assassins, they had a tough marksmanship challenge when trying to liberate those cells.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

Well that was predictable. The gigantic man child was always going to screw it up. Someone needs to push him out of window or something.

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 days ago

To avoid this the next version of the memorandum of understanding must have a specific clause highlighting that Trump is a little bitch.

[–] Miller@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Trump boasts of Tehran’s [start mumble] acceptance of our [end mumble] ‘unconditional surrender’

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Negotiations between the US and Iran in Switzerland were cancelled after clashes between Israel and Hezbollah - before a renewed ceasefire was announced in Lebanon

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There weren't any conditions left after you fulfilled them all...

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