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[–] Mutalisk@hexbear.net 51 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The audited financial statements, obtained by independent journalist Ed Zitron

I like that there is literally just one guy who bothers with looking into what increasingly seems like the only business that still matters to Western capitalism

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 46 points 4 days ago (5 children)

This is meant as no discredit to his work but a surprising lot of his research is just being like the only guy who actually reads the "gajillion dollar investment into AI" stuff on a contract level to find out it's "we're going to build 8000 datacenters that'd use up more electricity in a month than has ever been produced"

[–] fox@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's a bit trite but in his video on plagiarism, hbomberguy points out that if something is really easy to check out, nobody does.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Kind of like how Karl Marx had a set of big naturals

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Who would have thought that actually looking into things would be part of modern journalism. Not me! I thought they were just supposed to copy and paste state department press releases.

[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 4 days ago

Modern journalism is just stenography for the authorities

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago

I know I know but in my heart I still think: Surely something of this much size and importance has at least a facade you gotta get past and doesn't run, explicitly stated, on the idea that a wizard will do it

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

actually doing the reading is a big part of being good at any field. i remember being struck by Michael Hudson mentioning some minute detail of the latest like 500 page US treasury report and thinking like oh right dude is serious about his work and actually reads those cover to cover

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

actually doing the reading is a big part of being good at any field.

That's why I have @grok read and interpret everything for me.

jk, of course. But that sort of thinking is probably why Zitron is the only dude actually reading these things.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

You'd be surprised at how much 'novel' information you can gain on any particular subject by just reading public records and talking to people. People tend to be extremely siloed into their particular tasks, not having the time or energy to actually investigate the larger issue.

Literally this was how Marx did his research for Capital, though he focused alot more into mathematical modeling alongside that data.

However, much of this phenomena has to do with the fact that if someone within the organization discovers it, then they are usually obligated to fix it, even if they didn't cause it, which discourages most employee investigation and reporting of issues, especially ones that the bosses are keen on pushing.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

🤷 You can be ahead of the news/journalism most of the time on all sorts of topics when do basic investigation like that.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

One of the funniest criticisms I hear leveled against Zitron is that he's just a lone crank, and no-one else is saying the stuff he is. Obviously he's milking the attention he's getting (gotta get that bag), but I haven't heard any coherent responses to his claims, nor have I seen anyone else pursue even the modest degree of journalistic effort that he puts into his blog. Modern mainstream journalism is in a state of complete flatlined, and at a time when there are bigger, crazier stories than ever to discover.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

They really took the democracy dies in darkness mission statement to heart

Must be time for a trillion dollar IPO.

[–] nasezero@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago

Looking at OpenAI's books like dead-dove-2 except instead of a dead dove it's a pillar of the US economy with somehow several orders of magnitude less net value than an actual dead dove's corpse dead-dove-3

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

God I can't wait until they implode

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 4 days ago
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

I really hate articles that "reveal" the obvious absurdity of capitalism as though it's some shocking revelation.

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

maybe they should stop buying RAM

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago

Real ones know you should download more ram instead

[–] fox@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

They haven't even bought any, they waved a billion in front of the RAM manufacturers and said "hey lemme book out your entire capacity for three years, I'll pay you for it later mkay?" And the manufacturers going "yeah sure it's yours"

[–] DasRav@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

Why are we posting articles form 2 years ag....oh this is from this week? Waow the media is on the case as usual!

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago
[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

Let me pull out my tiny violin

[–] test_@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

it would grow the US economy more if they just paid USAmericans the money in cash instead of subsidizing their chatbot queries.

[–] Nopeace@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

in other news: water is wet, the sky is blue and grass is green.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

I thought this was already known??

[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I haven't done a proper material analysis of these companies, but it seems like most discourse (or at least articles) about them is still stuck within a capitalist framework. Like they're assuming profitability is the goal, money has inherent value, etc. As Marxists we understand there's no such thing as just "losing" money.

Is profitability the goal here? Is it an actual failure of the venture capital model? Or is it a deliberate wealth transfer? Or mechanism to build out infrastructure regardless of the cost?

Also ties into me still not having an intuitive materialist understanding of modern stocks and speculation. A lot of these hype companies are massively overvalued compared to their immediate ability to extract value from labor (fundamentals), so is it purely because of speculation, or does the share value have some material basis (e.g. wealth transfer mechanism to the market makers)?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I find this is an excellent analysis of the mechanics of financialized capitalist economies https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/08/the-value-of-nothing-capital-versus-growth/

[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tyvm, just finished reading but will probably have to reread later. I'm still having a hard time connecting all the dots. I need to dive back into studying financialization, it's unintuitive to me so I struggle holding onto the info.

I think my biggest holdup is trying to understand the fundamental mechanism of asset value maximization / growth investment (what I called speculation). For the value model (what I called fundamentals), the mechanism as I understand it is extraction of surplus value from production. So is the primary underlying mechanism of growth assets then rent-seeking?

Who are the parties on each side of the value transfer when these companies "burn" money?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Basically, wealth is measured using fiat currency which is purely a social contract decoupled from material reality. So the game that financial capitalists play is to drive that number up as much as possible. To do that you want to minimize your initial investment and risk while maximizing profit. The question then becomes what kind of business model best fits that game. And this is where the mechanism you’re asking about which is rent seeking, comes in.

Rent seeking means extracting value without creating new wealth. You capture a stream of payments by controlling access to something people need such as an essential platform rather than by making and selling a better product at a competitive price. Growth asset speculation which is the burning money model is almost always a long game aimed at building a monopoly or a cartel position from which you can eventually charge rents. The burning phase is not an alternative to rent seeking. It is the upfront cost of buying a future rent extraction engine. So when a company burns money, you have to look at who is on each side of the value transfer.

First, the money comes from investors. In the early stages it tends to be venture capitalists and later in form of private equity, and eventually public markets through an IPO. These investors hand over real fiat currency today in exchange for equity. That cash is then spent subsidizing users and workers below cost. The immediate transfer is from the investor class to consumers, think artificially cheap rides or food delivery, and to some extent to the workers who get paid more than the unit economics can sustain. The consumer gets a discount and the worker gets their wage while the company books a loss. So in the burn phase value flows from capital owners to the general public as a bait.

The whole plan only makes sense if the company eventually flips the transfer. Once competitors are bankrupt and the platform becomes the only practical option, the subsidies disappear. The company now extracts rent from the same consumers in the form of higher prices, and squeezes the same workers by cutting pay or increasing their fees. The investors who stayed in until the monopoly phase can then harvest those rents for years. The original burn was an investment in a future right to extract. That is why the primary underlying mechanism is rent seeking rather than production.

There is also a secondary transfer happening in parallel. The early investors often do not wait for the monopoly rents. They orchestrate funding rounds where the company’s valuation is pumped up based on user growth stories. They sell part of their stake to later investors at a markup. When an IPO happens, the original venture capitalists and founders can cash out entirely passing the bag to mutual funds and retail shareholders. Those later buyers are left holding equity in a still unprofitable company and hoping the rent extraction phase materializes. If it fails then they eat the loss while the early players already made their money. So it's a type of a hot potato game where the value transfer is from late stage or public market investors to early insiders. This is a separate extractive trick layered on top of the rent seeking core.

Now within this framework it does not make sense for financialized capital to invest heavily in things like competitive factories or small margin production businesses. Such ventures are capital intensive because you have to establish supply chains, build plants, train workers, hold inventory, and etc. Margins stay low because competition can enter and undercut you unless you have a rare moat like a patent or state granted monopoly. If the business fails you are stuck with physical assets that are hard to repurpose. Ephemeral ventures like software platforms are more attractive because they have low input costs and they can scale fast to create network effects locking users into a position where they have nowhere else to go. That is a fertile ground for rent extraction. Some material businesses can also become rent seeking if they consolidate and control an essential bottleneck, but the upfront cost and risk are higher in that scenario. Financial capital will naturally prefer the purest and cheapest path to a rent extraction position.

And this creates a selection pressure for the entire economy. Since business activity is largely driven by private capital allocation, the types of ventures that get funded are those that promise a clear path to a rent extracting monopoly rather than those that simply produce useful things. It is not that all industry literally disappears, but the logic of the system constantly pushes toward enclosure and monopoly using shady practices like tollbooth models. That is the underlying reason state level planning and state ownership becomes so critical as we see in China. The state is not chasing profit, instead it is interested in developing a productive economy that creates social value. That is why state investment in infrastructure and state owned enterprises can sustain industry that private financial markets would starve. The west lost its industrial base because financialized selection pressure simply stopped favoring it.

[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Great writeup, thanks! Really helped in connecting the fragmented concepts in my head.

So that tracks with my general understanding of finance capitalism, but I wasn't able to mesh the bag-holding grift with the rent-seeking mechanism until you explained it.

The SpaceX thing is a blatant example of value transfer from retirement accounts to capitalists, another step in the decoupling of imperialist-worker/PMC interests from capitalist interests. It seems like the whole stock market has become primed to do that as the biggest companies shift to rent-seeking over production.

So on a surface level the AI money burn might be a temporary value transfer from monopoly-seeking capitalist to consumers, but that transfer is heavily subsidized on so many levels that it might be more of a transfer from public funds/infrastructure/resources to, eventually, the company that wins the monopoly race. But whether AI can even get to that point (of either enforceable monopoly or profitability even with monopoly) seems questionable to me.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Right, it's all about profit maximization within the rules of the system, and it's much easier to maximize profit doing a scam than building something real. So everything becomes a Potemkin village because that's how you make money. The AI grift is kind of genius because they managed to tie the narrative to national security now. Since China is developing AI as well, this has become an industry that can't be allowed to fail. My expectation is what's gonna happen in the end is that we'll see the bubble pop, and then Anthropic and OpenAI are just going to get bailouts and then live off government contracts similarly to the military industry.