Atheism

He allegedly killed everything on the planet except for two of each creature, amongst a slew of other murders.

Don't overlook all of the death and suffering caused in his name!

He made them alcoholic!

In my experience AA tries to exchange ones addiction to alcohol to an addiction to religion. I've noted the most feverously religious people I know became that way after AA. Religion preys on the most susceptible.

I put up with it for long enough to get the help I needed, but I can't stand it either. At least there were enough supportive people with actual advice kicking around. I can't attest to every community, but if you want it bad enough, it's probably worth the price of admission for the few months it takes to break the habit.

I got three years a couple months ago, and I'm not sure I would have made it without the support, but I also regret that the program teaches that you don't have the power to do it without god, just a fun reminder of how these people prey on the vulnerable.

I'm sorry about your friend, I know my life could have ended the same way pretty easily the way I was going.

The fact that one of the few institutions that exists independently to help people to get free of the crippling addiction to alcohol does so by shoving god down your throat is such an amazing let down.

Dunno if it helps at all, but the success rate for people who go through AA is the same rate as people who do it by themselves.

I've long complained that Christians push the queer community to the bottle then sell us their god as the solution.

Sorry for the loss of your friend.

Well, there's different levels of christianity at different chapters. I found a chapter that was mostly atheists and would only refer to a "higher power" and even then was like "look really it just means you can't just think about what you want, because you want to get drunk and it's killing you.".

So, you have to think about something greater than whatever itch you have in the moment, if you want to live.

https://smartrecovery.org/

I'm surprised there isn't some NHS thing. They have support groups for dieting so I would have thought there would have been one for alcoholism given how much damage it does to people and how much it must cost the NHS every year.

One day when I was a young boy on holiday in Uberwald I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.

-Sir Terry Pratchett, Unseen Academicals

I think it's entirely possible that there are entities more intelligent than humans (let's face it the bar isn't very high) but I think that's different to "higher intelligence" an entity of God like capability, I don't think that high IQ necessarily grants you access to alter the fundamental laws of reality.

I'm intellgent, and I'm high.

I always disliked that arguement because it suggests that you wouldn't have such a good life had you not had to struggle first. A claim for which there is no evidence.

Have you read the Bible? Their God is a malignantly narcissistic tyrant.

God gives humans free will

Humans do things with free will

Humans: Thank God!

Does he get credited with the alcoholism too? Why curse so many people with that when they drink themselves to death?

This reminds me of when the first flotilla provided enough of a distraction that Palestinian in Gaza managed to fish for a bit without getting caught, and the top comment under the post said "God is best planner"

"God works in mysterious ways... " Me after stink up the bathroom at the supermarket.

But it says its alcohol free beer on the bottle?

My partner utilized SMART Recovery when he was getting sober. It's science based and completely free of religion

Not the original by any stretch. The story is that he made the wine because they ran out of wine while the party was still going. He just didn't want his friend's wedding reception to flop. But the host was still somewhat embarrassed because everybody liked the new wine so much more and said "hey dummy, don't you know you're supposed to serve the quality wine first, and the shit wine after we're too drunk to care?"

Pretty sure we were guzzling hooch since those first monkeys discovered a pile of half rotten fruit, ate it, vomited, then ate the rest and woke up with a prehistoric hangover. JC was just a garden variety bootlegger

That’s true. My wife has been sober for more than a year now. She went to AA meetings and did therapy. We are both atheist, and she really hated the religious part of the AA program, but talking with people that went through similar experiences really helped her.