Salt Lake City, Utah. Utterly gorgeous, but strongly reconsider moving there if you aren't a Mormon. The whole valley/arguably state has a constant fog of oppressively bad juju looming over it, despite being truly breathtaking.

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Salt Lake City, Utah. Utterly gorgeous, but strongly reconsider moving there if you aren't a Mormon. The whole valley/arguably state has a constant fog of oppressively bad juju looming over it, despite being truly breathtaking.

Relevant but I'm currently going down this Bricks & Minifigs vs Ben rabbit hole and wow these mormons are creepy as fuck.
Their entire history is insanely, deeply fucked in ways most people don't realize. Dating back to the very beginning.
Do you have any recommended reading?
So, so much. My very long comment got wiped before I could finish--I was trying to find an old 1800s newspaper account from the Library of Congress, so consider yourself lucky I'm relegated to a phone keyboard. I'm working on a book myself, so I've got huuuuuundreds of sources, but many of them are historic and hard to share conveniently. For a quick variety:
Fifteen Years Among the Mormons by Mary Ettie V. Smith (1860) is one of the most breathtaking page-turners I've ever read. Like many works that touch on history Mormons don't like, they've been very successful at whitewashing this to a mere "unfair anti-Mormon polemic," but...eh. Very complicated, but it really has the ring of truth to me compared to other similar sources. That's the source of the screenshot re: SLC.
Exposé of Polygamy in Utah: A Lady’s Life among the Mormons by Fanny Stenhouse (1872) is a favorite. She had a sharp wit.
No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie (1945) was a nuclear bomb of a book.
In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith (1997) goes into the MINIMUM 33 girls and women Smith "celestially wed," including minors, mother-daughter pairs, etc...
For a much more accessible option, look up Mormon Stories on YouTube. The church recently sued them, so you know they're good. And lest you sneeze at that, the Mormons successfully forced fucking WIKILEAKS to take down one of the church's internal instruction manuals (it's copyrighted material of the literal legal corporation that is the Mormon church). They've got crazy money, crazy connections. You've no idea.
Look up what was the first Sherlock Holmes book (Part 2) and ask yourself why captive Mormon women became such a theme then. In the UK!? Yup. And so much more.
Did you know that the Mormon church owns 2% of the landmass of Florida? Like right now?
I'm just trying to say: it's a deeeeep fucking rabbit hole.
I just discovered this yesterday and went all the way down that rabbit hole. Holy moly they are really trying to beat down on the guy trying to do the right thing. That police department is NASTY.
It looks like he has some good lawyers coming his way though. Looking forward to the second part of the civil rights lawyer's video (and part three of his own).
I lived in Provo for 2 years. I'd still be there if not for the Mormons.
I've heard that, in terms of geography and natural scenery, Salt Lake City is the city people want when they think they want Denver.
Phoenix. Don’t ever make the mistake of moving there or you’ll have a hard time leaving. It’s the closest thing to purgatory I’ve ever experienced. I certainly aged, but I don’t think I matured a day while I was there.
Council Bluffs, IA. I once had family there and there's a story in our family. One of them had a radio of some sort that works on trucker frequencies and he overheard a conversation between trucker CBs that went something like:
It used to be a railroad town, but the railroad pulled out and left economic carnage in its wake. Meanwhile, Omaha, just across the river, is comparatively very affluent with skilled jobs in tech, so Bluffs is kindof "the slums" (casualties of the worst end of capitalism.) and Omaha is all gentrified and hip, which rubs salt in the wound, and those who are still in Bluffs are the ones who lacked the wherewithal (luck, credit (social, financial, or otherwise), mental health, etc) to move to Omaha. Last time I was in Bluffs (and that was even before I knew the rail background story) it really felt like there was just a pall over the whole place. The strangers you saw at the grocery store or whatever just seemed "down and out" in an undefinable way. The local government seems some combination of corrupt and incompetent and the few folks I know of who still live in Bluffs there are racists and MAGA nuts and grifters and (I say this with love) deeply mentally ill. It's a disturbingly strange and depressing place.
I'm not sure I'd describe it as "bad vibes", but Detroit has always struck me as charmingly postapocalyptic. It's the only place I've ever seen fires in barrels in the middle of streets in real life.
Fucking Dallas, TX. Of all the major cities in North America, Dallas is the most devoid of culture. It is a city inhabited by cars, not people. If you took the average of all North American cities, it would be Dallas, but not in a way that derives any value from the cities included in the average. If you asked an LLM to generate an American metroplex, you would get a low-resolution, but otherwise one-to-one map of Dallas and Ft. Worth. Dallas is the backrooms except with a clear view of the sky.
Dubai is the most liminal fucking city in the world. If a hospital corridor was a city, it would be Dubai.
The opposite of this would be Hanoi. That's a city where each street feels like a living, breathing animal.
As someone who grew up and lived in Dubai in the 80s to the late 2000s I cannot find fault in your assessment.
Hagen, NRW.
In front of the train station, 3 casinos. Not shiny ones but rancid slot machine cellars.
Smashed door of the job centre.
I never want to go back to St Louis.
If you think St. Louis is bad (which it is), stay well away from East St. Louis
I see no one here has ever had to pit stop in Gary Indiana. Or pass through Flint?
Harrisonburg PA surprised me a bit as well. Super industrial parts were Flint esq from what I remember and the vibe downtown felt just off.
I have had no issues in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, or Cleveland. I think Cleveland gets a bad rap but I haven't spent more than a few days there.
IME, Brussels is truly awful. Grey, ugly, depressing and decaying.
I love Belgium but Brussels is alarmingly lame
Johnstown PA.
Was there a little over a decade ago on a beautiful summer Saturday afternoon. There was barely any traffic in the city, and we were the only people out walking around in (we stopped by during travel to see the flood museum, it's small but really interesting and slightly eerie, if you're ever in the area go check it out, it's worth the stop). I don't think we really saw other people until we went over to the edge of town to another main tourist attraction (the incline plane railroad).
Although to be fair most of the rural East Coast (and I guess the US, but I've mostly traveled around the East Coast states) is like that. A bunch of sad towns that maybe were something once when their respective industries were booming, but now are sad, impoverished towns filled with once beautiful buildings that are falling apart.
....Toronto? Wtf is wrong with Toronto
Spent 30 odd years in TO.
Theres a lot of toxicity there. Been punched in the head, throat, kicked in the back (lol), spat on, had slurs screamed my way, and hit by cars (yes, plural).
But hpx, what’d you do to provoke all this?
Nothing, friend. I’m quiet, polite in interactions, keep my yap shut and mind my own business. Every single one of these happened out the blue with little to no input my end. Each left me more flabbergasted than the last.
Some I actually get - unhoused or mentally compromised folk lashing out at unlucky targets. But others had more malice - the pack of skinheads looking for a fight or drivers who felt inconvenienced because they had to stop at crosswalks.
But hey, least it ain’t Calgary. Fuuuuck that place.
OP must be québécois.
I don't get Paris either. It's a big city, what do you expect? I love it. I'm currently in Prague and I reaaaalllly prefer Paris.
Alamogordo, NM. All of Oklahoma.
Bakersfield California, drive through it once. It was like someone was making the most depressing movie about drugs and prostitution and dilapidated infrastructure so they built Bakersfield to be the backdrop
Never having actually been there, and therefore just going off vibes I get from portrayals on the internet: that city in Florida where they designed it around every property having boat access (I forget the name, looking up "Florida canal city" gives me one called "Cape Coral" so it may be that one, or there might be some other similar place ive seen pictures of before out there that im mistaking for it). Cool concept in theory but every picture Ive seen of the place it looks like someone took generic slightly rich car-filled suburbia and made it even more overpriced and dysfunctional

From pics@lemmy.world. sorry I'm really bad at sharing in mobile
It took me a moment to realise that's a circuit board of man-made canalways for waterfronts. Entirely defeating the point of why people want waterfront.
Same thought. Imagining crawling a boat through miles of that maze to spend an hour in open water before having to turn around to crawl back. Smh.
Modesto. Fresno. Ceres. Bakersfield. Oakland. Gustine. Hilmar. Tracy.
I went to Fresno once and wanted to go to a random local restaurant. Walked into one at 10 am, and it was actually a bar with quite a few people drinking for it being 10 am on a Tuesday.
Wow, New Orleans? I love that city.
Downtown Clearwater FL has been pretty much taken over by Scientologists and is quite creepy now.
Trenton, NJ
Newark, NJ
actually just the whole New Jersey
wait no Asbury Park is nice.
most of New Jersey
Branson, MO. I've been pretty far south, but I've never felt so many judgemental eyes on me until I went to Branson. Crazy religious stuff everywhere, casual racism and bigotry. Felt like going back in time.
Joetsu, Niigata, Japan. I can't put my finger on it and was only there for a day, but I don't feel any need to go back. Weird layout, bad roads, rusting (not that that's rare for Japan outside of the metropolis areas), etc. People were a mixed bag as well, though no one was overtly unfriendly.
Dallas Fort Worth and Houston both felt like a place God forgot. Didn't visit the rest of Texas, I could have been picking up on the state's overall vibe.
fun fact, when filming the original robocop, they needed a blownout urban hellscape for future-detroit. actual detroit (at the time, very much still collapsed) was considered too clean so they went with dallas