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Aside from this being complete fantasy, do these freaks know that they're proving Putin is right for not trusting the west when they openly talk about carving up Russia like this? I assume not since they're unironically drawing 21st century versions of Generalplan Ost. eu-cool

Also, this map has some very bizzare internal borders

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[-] fox@hexbear.net 60 points 9 months ago

Here's how we bring Russia to heel:

Step 1: Add Iceland to the EU

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 39 points 9 months ago

It will be used as a launching pad to invade the us. Once the us is European, Russia will be invaded thru Alaska. Putin will never see it coming

[-] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

only socdems and the rightists who are currently out of government have any desire to join the EU in Iceland.

it's already in the EEA, which is fine for most people

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[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 52 points 9 months ago

How a geopolitical Europe would

a geopolitical Europe

words don't have to mean anything, you can just stick them together in a random order

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

my geopolitical foot is going up this geopolitical lib's ass

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Real shape of democracy hours

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 50 points 9 months ago

One the main justifications for supporting Ukraine from libs is “Putin is imperialist and must be stopped or he will try and take over Europe.”

Putin has been in power for I think a bit over 25 years? In that time, I think the only wars Russia has been involved in were in Chechnya and Dagestan? Maybe Georgia? No offense to those places, but there are plenty of counties in the US that are larger than those places. Not to mention the geopolitics of those situations surely don’t dictate they are simply wars of imperialist aggression. The war in Ukraine is by far the largest operation Russia has undertaken with Putin at the helm. And by all indications Russia is only interested in the Russian speaking parts of eastern Ukraine - Ukraine could probably have peace right now if they would be willing to write off those provinces they’ve de facto lost already.

But other than that, how has Russia been “imperialist”? Never even considered invading other bordering countries like Kazakstan or Mongolia. It strains credulity to think Russia would attack a NATO country. Not only are there no real avenues for imperialist aggression, Putin has had 25 years to be imperialist and hasn’t done it yet.

Meanwhile westerners like this person just can’t wait to finish the job of carving up Russia that they started in 1991.

[-] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 42 points 9 months ago

Russia is imperialist because it has close relations and ties to other nations like Belarus

The more nations you're friends with the more imperialister you are

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

Then why am I always told about how Americans are imperialist?

[-] Snackuleata@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago

We're getting up in arms over social-imperialism again?

[-] Donald_Drumpfler@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago

Putin has been in power for I think a bit over 25 years? In that time, I think the only wars Russia has been involved in were in Chechnya and Dagestan? Maybe Georgia?

Oh Mr. Simpleton over here, you've got it all wrong. The evil Putler has committed atrocities in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya (hey who ruined that place again? Can't remember...), generally speaking all over Africa, and even helped elect DONAL DRUMPF in 2016.

Care a little more about or democracy and freedom now, huh?

Just make sure to vote and President Biden will send another 250 billbjon dollarios to Kyiev.

As soon as Russia is completely defeated, we'll get universal healthcare, at least while the dems stay in power. Got it???

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago

That's literally just poorly disguised Nazism

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago
[-] shroobinator@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"чем это кончилось" > "How it ended"

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 9 months ago

What a touching story , he showed that anyone can be a success if they pull themselves up by their bootstraps hard enough! 🥹

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

it was Oswald Mosley's idea

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

Stalin's paranoia about Western Europe's designs on Russia continue to be vindicated.

[-] kot@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

The Soviet Union was invaded by every major European power in the aftermath of the revolution and again a few years later by Nazi Germany, it was never paranoia.

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 9 months ago

It was never paranoia, they were like that since Tallyerand became Napoleon advisor.

[-] Sinister@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Stalin should have pushed past Berlin and integrated the West European SSR.

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[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Step 1. Build largely pointless bridges

Step 2. Coup Belarus

Step 3. Magically have more power

Step 4. Start WW3 with Russia, world ravaged by nukes

Ah yes, all problems now solved

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

Step 4. Start WW3 with Russia, world ravaged by nukes

I've had people tell me they don't believe Russias nukes work so that's fine actually, nothing bad will happen

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

repeatedly explaining that you can't make nuclear safety decisions based on wishy thinking and vibes

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[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

federalization

imagine thinking the united states would allow for the formation of a rival power like that. Americans would bomb brussels to stop that from happening, if necessary.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

'Federalization' of Russian Federation looks like an euphemism for balkanisation.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

I think the Yanks would be slightly more subtle about it. Vicky Nuland would suddenly visit Catalonia and other obscure breakaway hotspots to "support democracy".

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago

Looked her up and she's a... dancer???? Never seen this level of brainworms in someone who wasn't a professional twitter user.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

I've seen eurolibs flip the antiziganism switch and go from Gandhi to literally Hitler in like 5 seconds. Nothing surprises me about euro brainworms anymore.

[-] casskaydee@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

Have you read Gandhi's letters to Hitler? It wasn't really that far of a leap

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[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago

pan europeanism is just white nationalism

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

We should unironically do more EU balkanization maps. Germany goes back to the tollbooth castle phase of the HRE. Half of France becomes Vichy France. Spain goes to Manchukuo.

[-] Donald_Drumpfler@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago

Germany goes back to the tollbooth castle phase of the HRE.

Germany goes back to nothing.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Honestly idk if I like the idea of big Poland.

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[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 32 points 9 months ago

Iceland, Norway, Switzerland etc being forced to join lol

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ok but who gets Kaliningrad? No matter what someone is going to get mad and there will be infighting. And who expands into Russia and where? Will a new liberal Russia be created in it's place? Or will it be suppressed? There would be more infighting among nations. And how will Belarus get treated? Will it be partitioned too? What about rampant rusophobia? Will Belarusian and Russian languages be suppressed?

Eh I'm asking genocidal libs to think more than they are able to. That just want to watch people die is all. They love war crimes as long as a cracker does them...

[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago

Belarus will take Lithuania, and every time someone complains, it will continue north.

[-] Sinister@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

Belarusians are the true Litvins! FAKE balts imposters should get out.

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

It will be Poland obviously, gotta rehash ww2 and use them as a meat shield

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Integrated Iceland? It's already in the EU sphere! Wtf lmao

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

This is of course a fantasy because Federal Europe would never last long enough for that to happen.

[-] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

What european's think is soft power EU power projection (culture and shit) is actually american soft power, what the EU has is literally hard power over its members

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

Man even they want to assimilate Armenia.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How a federal Russia would bring Europe to heel after its ReNazificiation:

  1. posadist-nuke
[-] gearheart@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago

I didn't read anything on this post. But I did notice the picture looks like a dog trying to bite his own butt.

That is all. Ty.

[-] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

No I agree, we should get a socialist Union of Europe so we can invite Russia in it too!

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin

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[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

nazis gonna nazi

Death to America

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

deranged europeans

no need for pleonasms

[-] commiespammer@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

What too much hoi4 peace deals does to an mf

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