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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 17 points 1 day ago

B12 is readily available at low cost. My B12 supplements cost me roughly 3 USD per annum. The money saved by a plant-based diet will cover this cost many times over.

This is a solved problem.

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Weird. I’ve been vegan for a decade and not dead yet.

I was more actively suicidal when I ate animals than when I stopped

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Weird. I’ve been vegan for a decade and not dead yet.

Just you wait! Vegans only have a life span of 82 years on average (depending on your country) your time will come, and when it does, veganism will be to blame!

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

I've seen more compelling writing on the back of a gum wrapper.

Absolutely pathetic, BBC.

[–] lemmylump@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

For fucks sakes BBC that headline is horseshit.

Shame.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 2 days ago

It feels irresponsible to use that headline and not mention that most vegans don't go insane. Because some people actually do seem to think compassion diets kill you, despite the obvious empirical evidence to the contrary.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Has someone posted this to /c/vegancirclejerk@lemmy.vg yet?

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago

Posh girl kills herself, family and courts read her personal diaries together in order to blame veganism.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Killed herself is a little different from "died".

But what they are burying here is B-12 deficiency is not limited to vegans. Anyone can have it.

"Gray said Owen "reported to her family that she had bought an organic B12 supplement from Canada" and would take a daily dosage of 1mg."

Yeah, not enough. My doc has me taking 2,500mcg or 2.5mg.

Yeah I'm a vegan and obviously it's a significant problem for us, but plenty of people with a normal but shitty diet are also deficient. This isn't unique to us.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)
[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Right. My bad.

My keyboard doesn't have the mu sign.

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[–] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Seems excessive for daily usage, you're off a few orders of magnitude.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

B12 is difficult to absorb, especially in supplements. That's why we take what seems like massive amounts. What is not absorbed is flushed naturally and healthily by the body.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

It's water-soluble so that's OK even so. Low risk of OD unless you really go hog-wild.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Not if you're deficient. 😉

[–] wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Usual BBC slant on anything vegan. They are consistently doing their best to make avoiding animal products seem dangerous.

Nooch FTW. B12's important for vegans to consider, but a vegan diet doesn't make a person "delusional"... B12 deficiency does.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Vitamin B12 is found in meat, fish, eggs, dairy products and specially fortified foods, and, according to the NHS, a deficiency can lead to psychological problems.

B12 is supplemented to the animals so in reality these are also fortified foods.

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Any sudden change in diet can have this effect, I think schools do pretty bad job of teaching kids about actual health.

Anyway if you go vegan eat marmite.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Georgina Owen had developed a vitamin B12 deficiency due to the diet she began in 2016

I wouldn't call 10 years sudden.

[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

She died 2019 so 3 years. Still, not sudden.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Fun fact: Vegemite was sent to Australian POWs in Japanese camps to combat B vitamin deficiencies. The guards dismissed it as shoe polish.

Also, either can be used in small quantities to make gravies taste better. Makes mushroom gravy taste extra umami.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Vegemite has a high level of glutamates, which are the source of the umami flavor. And it doesn't often trigger the kind of reactions that some people have to MSG, which the purified form of one particular glutamate.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

Instructions unclear, I made gravy with shoe polish.

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[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

First five words of that last sentence are totally unnecessary

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How many jars should I eat per day?

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

The answer to everything, at least everything was part of the question.

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[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Going vegan is quite a bit more involved than going vegetarian.

When eating vegetarian you can mostly kind of wing it and generally get all the nutrients you need. But when going vegan you really should make sure you know what you need to consume in order to be healthy.

Since B12 is only found in animal products, you are probably going to have to take a supplement.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

My daughter has been vegan (with some deviations) for over 20 years. She's never had health problems related to it. She eats wakame (seaweed) and shiitake mushrooms, which are two of the few non-animal sources of B12.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 days ago (4 children)

B12 is not only found in animal products.

Nooch (nutritional yeast) has tons and also an awesome cheesy-nutty flavor that compliments lots of foods.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I stand corrected.

But my point was more that you need to make sure that your diet includes a source that gives you sufficient B12, which is not quite as obvious on how to get that with a vegan diet compared to a vegetarian one.

Apparently Vegemite also contains B12. But it's also high is salt, which makes it not ideal.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh for sure.

I would argue that anybody could find themselves deficient of various nutrients. Not exclusively a vegan thing...but B12 is definitely difficult to get from vegan sources. Omega 3s, as well.

There's also the question of how strict a vegan is. A very strict vegan wouldn't drink most wines (due to isinglass, gelatin, egg whites used in processing), eat most mass-produced bread (diglycerides), or many sweets that contain confectioners glaze (shellac) and refuse many medications (gelatin, at the very least).

Likely such a person would also avoid otherwise non-animal foods fortified with b12, because it's uncertain where that b12 came from.

But, at the same time, vegans are also typically more aware of what they are eating and what they need to supplement. Vegans have a lot of community. At least around here. And community means awareness.

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[–] suigenerix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Nooch (nutritional yeast) has tons

Only if fortified. Otherwise it has very little or none.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/nutritional-yeast#nutrients-and-benefits

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[–] M137@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago

All store bought vegan milk drinks have B12 in my country, along with many other vegan products. I winged it but you still gotta check your levels to make sure, but that's something everyone should always do.

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[–] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sad to see this play out again. Lots of people are deficient in B12 and various other essential nutrients. The worst part from my perspective is obviously the loss of life, but the second worst is how easy this is to fix. I am by no means a vegan, I definitely eat my fair share of meat and eggs, but B12 deficiency is easy enough to get, especially if you eat a lot of processed foods or have a mono diet, eating the same thing every day.

For B12 I would recommend nutritional yeast. It gives a cheesy sort of flavour and can be added to foods like beans, refried beans, ragu/bolognaise, various pasta dishes, the list goes on. A fairly small amount packs a lot of B vitamins and you can have quite a bit without any issue. It also keeps very well, just requiring an airtight container and maybe a dessicant packet for longer term storage.

If you take some tapioca starch and add it to water then slowly reduce it you can make a really nice cheese sauce substitute, very similar to Mac and cheese. Nutritional yeast adds the full flavour and colour, making it actually tasty.

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] scala@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Slang for Nutritional Yeast

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

I suppose that limiting your diet means it now on manual and care has to be taken to ensure that it is adequate.

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