Seize the Memes of Production
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the “ML” influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
Rules:
Be a decent person.
No racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, zionism/nazism, and so on.
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I'm pretty sure that Parenti hated anarchists ... but I would unironically rather read a book by someone who hates me than an unrepentant Epstein affiliate. (And also, Chomsky would also hate me because even with the most charitable reading, he's a turbolib wearing a skin suit sewn from the hide of an anarcho-syndicalist.)
I would unironically rather read a book by someone who hates me than an unrepentant Epstein affiliate
Parenti has his own skeletons, like his staunch defense of Serbian genocidal fascists. Something he has in common with Chomsky.
What's wrong with Manufacturing Consent ? I found it very insightful on how the US has been doing all kinds of shit that they keep accusing everyone else of. It's also helpful in recognising the same patterns in other media and other countries.
Chomsky is paid opposition, to deliver a softer message. He was also friend with Epstein.
And Chomsky admitted that he didn't have much of a hand in writing it either
wait hang on, i thought we were discrediting the book
That fact doesn't exactly add any credibility to it and just underlines it was promoted over Parenti superior work by attaching the nonces best pals name to it
nonce's*, pal's*🙇🏼♂️
Genuine question, what is the evidence that he was paid opposition?
Chomsky is paid opposition
I would like to know too. Having bad takes and not the most radical analysis doesnt make one paid opposition. There is a reddit thread that discusses a longer article that tries to proof that exact statement and IMO fails doing exactly that.
They're not saying anything is wrong with it, just that there's even better stuff. Insert "look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power" meme.
cc @bestbouclettes@jlai.lu @Deceptichum@quokk.au
Fair !
Chomsky is/was Epstein's friend and in regular contact
Yeah I know about that, but I'm talking about the book itself and the ideas inside
I'm sure they'll make up sooner or later
Both books can be valuable.
Porque no los dos?
Got links? I only knew those as communities on lemmy I see passing by on all, there's things to read?
Link to Inventing Reality by Parenti - Didnt read it, so dont know how useful it actually is. Maybe someone could post their key takeaways
Link to Manufacturing Consent by Herman and Chomsky - Didnt read it, but once watched a pretty animation on YT that hopefully explained the mechanism well. Be aware that Chomsky has been in contact with Epstein, as far as I am aware decades after the book got first published.
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the “ML” influence
Really free of ML influence?
Meh. Just because a ML said it doesn't mean it's wrong. I.e., anarchists can still read Marxist or even ML literature as long as we read it critically, with care for the statist cognitive biases inherent in their foundations.
Also... the thought of Deceptichum in particular being is a secret ML is absolutely fucking hilarious 😆. Like nah, wrong user.
Also… the thought of Deceptichum in particular being is a secret ML is absolutely fucking hilarious 😆. Like nah, wrong user.
Yeah not saying that. Just motivating people to read tankie literature in a community that claims to be not influenced by ML is worth pointing out to me.
Just because a ML said it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I.e., anarchists can still read Marxist or even ML literature as long as we read it critically, with care for the statist cognitive biases inherent in their foundations.
Agree on the first part. Second part is IMO missing fron the meme.
Fair on both points 😀
vanguarding is required until we are all reenabled
I mean I'm autistic and I don't need nor want a vanguard. Hierarchical power structures like vanguards are especially dangerous for people like me, because they provide a positive feedback mechanism for people already at the top of the power dynamic. And it kinda doesn't sit right to me that my existence as an autistic person, my disability, is why we "need" a vanguard party. Maybe I'm missing something?
Disabilities≢disorders. Explain to me how can I empower people with paraplegia, comatose, dys/agraphia, dys/apraxia, amputation, aphasia, dysarthria, agnosia, etc..
Disabilities≢disorders.
Autism is absolutely a disability by any reasonable definition of disability. (ASAN is autistic-led, i.e. these are autistic people speaking about our lived experience.)
Explain to me how can I empower people with paraplegia, comatose, dys/agraphia, dys/apraxia, amputation, aphasia, dysarthria, agnosia, etc.
We would have to ask them (or for the comatose person, whomever is responsible for their safety) for what they need to be included in the community, and then act on it. In general, we can apply the same anarchist principles of freedom, horizontalness, non-domination, continuous consent, dignity, and inclusivity to our projects.
Like I'm not saying to never look out for anyone ever. Of course, we sometimes do need to stand up for people to defend them when they're down. I'm pushing back against vanguardism, the Leninist institutionalization of professional "revolution" that never seems to morph into communism as promised.
whomever is responsible for their medical decisions
that is a vanguard.
horizontalness, non-domination, continuous consent
Vanguardism.
Leninist institutionalization of professional “revolution” that never seems to morph into communism as promised
Nurses and doctors are institutionalized professionals vanguarding people to morph into better healthier versions of what you couldn't do alone.
If you have someone you can rely on, better yet, someone you use as support, you have a vanguard. Realizing how vanguarding is how we grow as mammals, is realizing some institutions are more corrupt than other hierarchical mammals.
I try to lean in empowerment and enabling you to do what you wish.
Not strip you off your desires, needs, and wishes.
The problem with vanguardism isn't that there are people who protect/stand up for others, it's that it inevitably institutionalizes those people into positions of power over those others. Nurses, caregivers, etc. aren't "supposed" to have power over their patients, but they very often do. Humans are already good at protecting and supporting each other--no need to risk creating a power differential by forming a designated vanguard to rigidify it.
it inevitably institutionalizes those people into positions of power over those others.
Yep, are are still trying find a solution for this quandary
Nurses, caregivers, etc. aren’t “supposed” to have power over their patients, but they very often do.
Welcome to the mammalia Class. As a minor, did you consent to your caregivers’ care methods? Were you allowed to adult? Get educated?
pretty sure tankies in threadiverse have nothing to do with ML theory.
I disagree. Many share important ideological things such as democratic centralism and many use the same talking points offline MLs use to defend their favorite states. In practice they also always seem to fall back to ML approaches when asked about what to do.
I'm pretty sure tankies in threadiverse haven't read any theory ml or otherwise
Damn, I'm having an identity crisis. Am I a dogmatist who reads theory and blindly accepts everything I read, or do I not read theory at all 🤔
Do you actually have any reason for thinking that we don't read theory, btw, or is this just another case of, "They're bad anyway so it's fine to just make up whatever about them?"
No they do read, especially crap such as Engels On Authority