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Can anyone tell this meme is true or false? I don't have Gspy so I cannot test this

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 99 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Don't know about Google home, but google meet is definitely like this. You mute your mic from the UI, you speak, and a small popup tells you something like, "are you trying to speak, your mic is off".

Something like this also happened on Short Circuit (a channel of Linus Tech Tips) when testing Meta Glasses. Riley, the host was talking to it, and after the convo ended, he asked, "are you still listening?" And meta replied, "No".

So, yes, it is safe to assume that the microphones are always listening and probably recording. These things are spywares and do not belong in private places like homes.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 95 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Muting microphone in a meeting is very different, the point is you don't want other attendees to hear you, not the meeting software.
Otherwise agreed, the only way this can be 100% trusted is using a hw switch, which we won't find on any phones and only a handful of laptops.

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Didn't Fairphone or some other Linux phone maker include switches in some relatively recent model?

EDIT: According to (embarrassed for having to mention source) Google's AI summary, yes:

  • Murena 2: Features a dedicated physical privacy switch that physically cuts the circuit for the microphone and camera.

  • Purism Librem 5: Offers physical toggle switches on the side of the phone to mechanically sever power to the microphone, camera, and baseband.

-Pine64 PinePhone: Includes built-in hardware DIP switches under the back cover that allow you to completely disconnect the mic, cameras, and modems.

[–] krigo666@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have /e/OS on my Fairphone 6 and the switch turns off camera and microphone. Of course this is software, but better than nothing.

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

Only marginally, IMHO - software is vulnerable to remote hacks, but physically breaking the electrical connection is pretty effing hard to overcome remotely.

[–] JohnDarlen@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

Man at least use some open source or European AI, like Qwen, Deepseek, Mistral.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Furi Lab's FLX1 phones (Linux phones) have hardware switches.

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[–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Guys, ten or hundred of thousands security researchers have been going at this for years. Google isn't secretly listening to you.

These things work with 2 mics, and 2 different circuits. The recording mic is one, while the detection mic is another. The second mic is only capable of pattern matching.

So yeah it's on but only capable of hashing a 5 second recording and matching it to your voice (this shit works a lot like rsa keys if that's helpful) to serve as a wake word. Maybe flag a simple response.

All that's happening is the device heard a loud sound and knows it wasn't a match or what's expected.

[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t believe that those fuckers are being honest and open with our data.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That's the neat thing, you don't have to believe: the researchers proved it.

Of course that only applies to the models they tested, and not future ones, but still.

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[–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's the neat part. You don't. There is an entire industry of devs trying to be the guy who conclusively proved all the companies are actually recording you.

[–] Tidesphere@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Every time someone comes out and says that the phones aren't secretly listening to us, I gotta tell this story.

I was at one time practicing therapy in a University. We did charity work, and I was providing therapy to a homeless man. This homeless man did not have a phone, or any electronic devices of any kind. We kept in contact via email, and he would use library computers in order to connect with us.

While providing therapy for him, the only electronic devices in the room are a batter operated digital clock, a battery operated voice recording device, and my own cell phone, locked and inactive. Nothing but my cell phone is connected to wifi or internet of any kind.

During session one day, he started talking about wanting to move to another country. We hold our usual session, with plenty of talk about moving to that country specifically. Once the session is over, we say goodbye and he goes on his way. I go back to my desk, and within an hour or so, scrolling on my phone, I'm getting advertisements for flights and vacations to that exact country. I had never gotten advertisements to that country before, or even for much travel in general.

So how do we explain it? The most common answer is "Oh, well he used his phone to look up flights and stuff, and google detected that your phones were near each other, and must have assumed that you would talk about it."

Except the other man did not have a phone, nor did he have any way for Google to tell that he was near me after having looked it up at a local library. There was no way for Google to be able to tell that he was coming to our office at all unless it was reading his emails, and even then, it couldn't know that he was talking to me specifically, such that I would get the targeted ads and none of my colleagues would.

Nobody can give me an explanation for what happened other than my phone was actively listening to the conversation. I'm definitely open to alternatives, I promise. Nobody has been able to explain it.

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[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

It's far too easy to change the software that drives that. For example, in order to minimize blatant power drain the trigger mic could easily become a switch that activates the main mic only when human voices are detected (or even specific voices). With authoritarian governments on the rise — along with the more than willing corporations backing them — I don't think a bit of paranoia regarding the possibility is unwarranted.

ETA: Also there's nothing saying the hardware can't be updated for newer capabilities without anyone on the outside knowing. It'd be pretty easy to get away with once everyone gets lulled into a false sense of security regarding how they work.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

If I was running a fascist government, I wouldn't enable my spyware on every phone--that would make it too easy to detect and it would mean the people I'm spying on would take measures to protect themselves.

Instead, I would leave a backdoor open so that I could activate the specific phone of a specific person, a phone unlikely to be monitored in a lab by a security geek.

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[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Discord does this too. Occasionally instead of putting my voice through it just says “we’re not detecting any input from your microphone” but only while I’m speaking

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's the old-school method. You ask "can you hear me?" And after someone says "no", you know your microphone is working

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

While a response of "yes" means you need to find more entertaining friends.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Discord? Never had that. And it is super annoying that there is no mute indication. So many people "oh I was muted", teamspeak had that solved decades ago. They also had actually distinct sounds for (in)muting...

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[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago (13 children)

f-droid's website https://f-droid.org/ has a link to https://keepandroidopen.org/ which says in Google will lock down Android in September,

If you were planning on reformatting your phone to GrapheneOS, LineageOS, PostmarketOS, or UbuntuTouch, now is the time to do it.

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Fuck man I cannot buy a new phone right now. All apps I use are from fdroid. I'm kinda fucked ain't I?

Looking at cad$300 for a pixel 8a to get graphine on it. So sad my galaxy 9 can't run postmarket, lineage, or anything really.

I guess the pixel 3 (I think that's the one) with Ubuntu touch could work. Only a hundred it looks like to get that

[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Even better, under community builds here it looks like PostmarketOS supports Galaxy 9

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not for my model. This ones got a locked bootloader and no way to unlock it. Tried everything I could think of to keep this boi out of the recycling center with no dice.

Edit: Thanks for the other suggestions though I'll take a look when I'm getting a new phone

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Welcome to the dependency economy where you can't afford to not let them fuck you.

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[–] Levi@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can I still use apps from the app store if I use one of those alternative OS's? I'm not very good with phones and don't use mine much, but with so many things slowly going phone only I don't want to cut myself off entirely.

Also, can I use those OS's on my tablet? Which is best for somebody with decent Linux knowledge but almost no smart phone skills?

[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Phones are usually easier to find compatibility than tablets. If you check the websites for those operating systems, you will see what devices are compatible.

Concerning apps, you will be able to run 99% for your apps. There are odd rare cases where some may not work. For those, you may find success by installing them through https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.aurora.store/ instead of the through the Google Play Store.

One is particular feature that doesn't work is using the NFC wallet feature on phones, but you shouldn't use those anyways because you're giving an extra cut away to Google, Samsung, or Apple, on top of credit card fees from Mastercard, Visa, or the like.

Some banks apps don't work on Graphene. All of mine never have any problems. It might be worth saving a click link on your phone your banks website instead if the app doesn't work. https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ Or instead consider switching banks.

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I don't have Google Home installed on Graphene but also I can completely block microphone usage. 😏

[–] baconsunday@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I know this won't be a popular answer, but with my distaste for google, my switch to linux, the rumored google search revamp later this month turning it completely to AI and THIS? I'm going to go to iOS I believe

[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (19 children)

If you think google is problematic in terms of either control or spying I got serious news for you little buddy.

Just get a Pine Phone or similar linux-based device.

[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

Pain phone.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not true anymore, but Alexa's used to only listen for specific keywords using a low-energy local-only chip.

It has since changed, as stated, and I have to assume other vendors followed suit.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

As a specific example, the ESP32 chip does low power voice recognition for pre-trained trigger words. This lightweight recognition lacks the training to detect anything other than the list of trigger words that Espressif provides.

Basically only battery-operated devices work this way (for power consumption reasons). If you’re plugged in you’re probably always running the high quality listening loop.

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[–] baconsunday@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

i love all the hate google gets

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I turned off "ok google" detection in my phone. Still it triggers incorrectly from the car radio sounding similar to "ok google". In theory turning off the detection should mean that the assistant only starts when I tap the microphone icon, but that's not my experience.

I can confirm, google is always listening, and it's not even very good at pretending not to.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I never use any voice commands for my phone. So I disable it and uninstall all voice related apps and settings.

An unexpected benefit was this significantly improves the overall performance of the phone.

The meme makes it sound like they turn off the server transmit feature. Though I also could believe this meme being false as well. "Ok Google" detection runs locally on the device as training a model to detect that and only that accurately without a server is easy to do and costs a lot less than having every device continuously transmitting the microphone. So it's possible mute just disables transmission to the Internet rather than the mic.

[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

never in my life have i ever said "hey" anything to my phone and i intend to keep it that way

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Hey, wiretap

[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

On a side note, if you have a Chromebook or other laptops/desktops, you can reformat the BIOS to give you better control, more security, and less backdoors.

https://libreboot.org/

[–] Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My recommendations on Quora's feed follow closely what I've said with an Android phone present, even someone else's phone, as my presence is detected by Google from my voice and my /e/OS phone's radio traffic.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Quora-listening-to-my-conversations-Why-do-suggestions-pop-up-relating-to-what-I-am-talking-to-my-friends-family-about-offline/answers/320063126

I highly recommend GrapheneOS, /e/OS, Jolla Sailfish OS Linux phone, or anything that doesn't work for Google or Apple. My battery life (idling) went from 2 days with Android to a whole week with /e/OS, because spying consumes energy.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 6 points 1 week ago

I had this cheap android phone, it costed like €70/80, the battery life would die in a day or even less, idle then i decided to get rid of google play services, assistant ecc and now the damn battery can survive 7 fucking days in idle with termux in background hosting a discord bot this shit is just crazy

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Last I muted mine it did this still. I believe the rationale is that wake word detection is local

I plan on moving away from the ecosystem but haven't yet been able to invest time and money in a home assistant setup and start thinking about migrating

(I know many feel smart home tech is frivolous and just a security risk and privacy violation- I use automation to help manage a disability/medical condition)

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You muted yourself from the conversation, but it still listens for commands.

Also, I love how every time "microphone" is mentioned on social media, the social media/spyware sockpuppets come out and say "well aktually..." and put this word vomit all over the place hoping you'll just roll over and accept it. Must be a nice paycheck to cash...

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Why are we ai upscaling so many things???? Like what does that playdoughy smoothness add to anything. Espescially 10 year old memes 😭

(i dont blame op, anybody still using google or unaltered ddg will get ai for their first like page or two of image results)

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