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[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Single-sex toilets and changing rooms in England, Wales and Scotland must exclude transgender men and women, according to a new code of practice from the equalities watchdog.

But the long-awaited guidance also says that businesses and service providers have to offer practical alternatives such as gender-neutral toilets for people who do not wish to use services for their biological sex.

I guess I’m naive to hope that a business would rather convert existing facilities to two multi-sex bathrooms rather than have to build and give up existing space to a third bathroom.

[–] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (88 children)

I hate, with a burning passion, the term "biological sex".

We have frankly, no fucking clue how our genetics and sex are intertwined.

We used to think it was "just chromosomes", but then we discovered "biological men" with double-X, or double-X and a Y, or vice-versa.

Or intersex individuals.

Then, we also got to consider that, say, a "biological woman" can transition to a "transgender man", which renders no change to their genes, just hormone levels, and they see physical development, voice deepening, hair growth, etc, just like a "biological man", or vice-versa.

In conclusion, "biological sex" is just another gross simplification created by people who's minds are so pathetic they can't comprehend reality and so choose to live by mantra founded in disproven pseudo-sciences, religion, and other excuses to avoid critical thinking, and then put themselves in positions of power.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Doesn’t sound to me like you know the difference between sex and gender. We do have a pretty solid idea of how genetics and sex are intertwined, including intersex conditions. Gender is a whole different thing.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Biological sex is a dogwhistle made digestible to appease the apathetic moderate

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago (24 children)

What about when you go to the doctor and they need to know what type of organs you were born with instead of what type of clothes you like to wear?

Sex ≠ gender.

It's wrong to try to force "gender" to mean "sex", but trying to force "sex" to mean "gender" is also wrong.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (39 children)

That isn't even a reliable indicator, and it is a discussion between the patient and the doctor and no one else if it even comes up. We have the language to be specific. Besides, doctors don't even know what to do with trans people regardless of gender or surgeries because all medical research on the topic has been blocked, erased, or burned by knuckledraggers

(MTF) When I go to doctors I have to explain to them that if they run my bloodwork as Male, every single damn metric on it is going to be flashing bright red. When it's run as Female, I can get actual data out of it. Also guess who you go to if you have titty problems.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (25 children)

I totally understand what you’re saying, but if you take gender out of it and just think about humans as any other animal, you could classify animals with penises and animals with vaginas separately especially if you’re breeding them. The AI overlords won’t care when they’re breeding us.

EDIT: two types of genitalia instead of just penis and vagina. And not all but many animals.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (17 children)

Here's the thing though, pretty much everything you just said is wrong. It's not that simple if you think of humans as any other animal. Here's a video link that is pretty long, but dives fairly deep into this topic that is massive from a scientific point of view.

https://youtu.be/nVQplt7Chos

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[–] cranakis@reddthat.com 45 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm curious how they'll handle enforcement. "Please present you genitals for inspection before entering"

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Oh, this type thinks they "can always tell".

Thing is, they can't. Trans people pass as cis pretty often, even to transphobes. And they're constantly 'transvestigating' people who are actually cis.

What this will actually accomplish is license to harass (and, yes, probably attempt to inspect the genitals of) anyone who's even a little bit gender non-conforming. It will mainly hurt cis women and cis men who, respectively, don't look feminine enough or don't look masculine enough. Functionally, it's just another way to enforce gender conformity.

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 38 points 1 month ago (12 children)

There is a solution to all of this. Unitary WCs. Each has one toilet, one sink, at least one method for drying hands and at least one sanitary disposal for non-flushable items. Mirror optional. A toilet brush might also be a good idea.

Communal rooms should go the way of the dinosaur.

That way, anyone, regardless of persuasion, intent or comfort level, can use a toilet in peace. And if they want to invite someone else in for safety, so be it.

All the problems with this solution are excuses, and usually not very good ones.

[–] InternationalHermit@lemmy.today 22 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I believe that communal bathrooms are cheaper to build and maintain, hence we still have them, not because anyone enjoys using them.

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[–] valtia@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Thankfully, there's an even better, easier, cheaper, and just solution to this as well

Negate the ruling and allow transgender people to use the correct bathroom that is congruent with their gender identity

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[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Communal rooms should go the way of the dinosaur.

obliterated by high velocity rocks?

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More frequently it's individual toilets and shared sinks.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 25 points 1 month ago

What's that got to do with equality?

These people are suspiciously concerned with what's going on between other people's legs.

[–] mudkip 25 points 1 month ago (17 children)

They want trans genocide, they aren't even trying to hide it anymore

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[–] Naich@piefed.world 24 points 1 month ago (7 children)

So how are these dipshits going to feel when a trans man uses the female toilet?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

They're going to feel great because that'll give them another opportunity to harass transgender people.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Why the fuck do these perverts care so much about what people do in a bathroom? How fucking weird

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago (5 children)

As far as I can tell the UK is the only country in the whole of Europe following America down this specific insane moral and political rabbit-hole.

It's like they tried to get into the XXI century, failed and decided to go back to their time of greatness, the Victorian Era.

[–] YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They do have a prominent billionaire who is bribing anyone to take up her anti-trans positions.

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[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago (28 children)

single sex toilets must be forever prohibited from existing, says actual equality and human rights

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, a bathroom ban for the entire UK?

Did you guys see the US speed running a regression arc and decide to try your hand at it?

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[–] Wren@lemmy.today 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

This is going to make it so difficult to plan out businesses and buildings that everyone will end up with gender neutral bathrooms and spaces. It's my dream that all those lobby groups who think they're protecting women will have to shit next to every man, woman, femboy, adult baby, theydy, them, zem, furry and otherkin in the UK.

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[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (10 children)

All of this is solved with just using more single occupancy bathrooms. Just an open hallway with rooms and toilets and changing stations. Sinks in the hallway.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

... says Equality and Human Rights Commission

1984 Ministry of Truth type shit

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 17 points 1 month ago

Terf island at it again.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Never thought I'd ask this but... how do I determine the gender of my toilet? And how do I confirm it's cis-gendered?

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Why do gendered toilets exist anymore? It's the 21st century and we don't need them.

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[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I thought that toilets were a primarily a public health concern. If they are not provided then unfortunate things start happening in secluded corners.

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Isn't that the goal here? Exclude people from toilets. They have to pee elsewhere. Arrest them for public urination or "indecent exposure". Maybe put them on some kind of sex offender list like the Americans are doing for people caught urinating in public. Spread fear about "trans sex offenders".

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[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I'm having an argument with idiots here in Australia trying to protect women. No joke, most of them are toxic blokes who are trying to be masculine.

I'm a male but even posting that climbing gyms are running womxn nights for years without issue and it's a non issue is causing some of them to go nuts

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There's a simple solution to this that I've seen some bars in my city do. Make all the cubicles and urinals gender-neutral and mark them as such.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

This seems like the obvious solution. An area for stand-up wees. An area for sit-down wees and poos. Everyone can wash their hands together in an open area.

No need to bring gender into expelling waste. Wouldn't be surprised to find modern toilets were invented by the Victorians so men wouldn't have to find out that women also shit.

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[–] grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

how about no more segregated toilets, full stop?

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago

THEY JUST HAVE TO PEE!

[–] TheMuffinMan@piefed.world 11 points 1 month ago

I’m done living in this shithole.

Not that I ever would, but if I went into the women’s they’d (rightly) tell me to fuck off or report me to staff.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was confused, but then the article was about the UK, where they stupidly did Brexit. Don't worry, everybody. This is just about people who make dumb decisions.

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[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

equality and human rights commission discussing bathrooms is an insult to all people whose human right is to live under slavery, war trafficking and torture, aprthied, ethnic cleansing, and dictatorships that jail dissidents indifinitely without trails.

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