Once token based pricing hits all the major platforms I expect it will slow down
Fuck AI
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024.
AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
Not long now, Anthropic and OpenAI IPOs incoming, monetization everywhere.
Imagine doing basic business things like having to show an ROI and public disclosure is going to collapse the economy. Lol. Should've happened 2 years ago.
I’m all for not having vibe coded security vulnerabilities creeping into my apps but that repo lists apps if they’ve ever even attached copilot to an issue/pr which is pretty hard not to do because the button is bigger than attaching yourself to an issue.
Yeah agreed, it's incredibly disheartening... The Starlight Network maintains a NoAI list at least: https://noai.starlightnet.work/
Long story short: LLMs can provide value in software development, especially in senior developer hands. Apparently that value is not something many feel they can just leave on the table.
This doesn't answer the question whether you can separate the tool from it's maker or from how it came into existence or even about possible long-term consequences of it's usage.
But for a lot of programmers these are questions they don't feel compelled to consider, and I can empathize. LLMs are now here and they, like most technology, won't just disappear again for ethical or long-term-risk reasons. Completely shunning them will become a niche, even in the often idealistic world of open-source.
I'm looking forward to when the hype dies down and the general understanding of what LLMs really are and where they are useful becomes more normalized. This whole "AI" nonsense drives me nuts.
Sounds like you're just laundering marketing talking points from Big AI.
I will continue to participate in a significant, thriving, and very long-lived movement of people writing code for people. When it comes to the slop machines, the battle is just getting started.
Well, I write code for people, too, and still much of it by hand. But there is also a non-trivial portion that can be generated and quickly evaluated. It's not the majority and it's hit or miss, but in aggregate I'm measuring a positive impact. It's far from the insane promises made by the AI companies, but it's measurable, in real numbers. Think more of a 10% increase, not 10x. Is this enough to justify a trillion dollar industry? Doubtful. Is is low enough to be discarded? Not in a serious productivity focused environment.
I'm afraid arguments of mere utility don't hold much sway for me. Asbestos is also very useful as a fire retardant. 🫠
LLMs can provide value in software development, especially in senior developer hands.
The value they do provide is in scamming and providing skill atrophy.
You forget one thing, it's not fair with the ones who stand against it.
There are plenty and good projects who stand against AI, is it fair with those who are trying to do the correct thing?
I don't think so.
- Linux: the final boss, unbelievable
Shows you don't bother to actually read the mailing list or even just keep up with the open source development discussion.
Linux was probably one of the first places AI was invovled in because it's a well documented highly used software which makes it an easy test bed for LLMs to showcase their abilities.
That was 3 years ago when GPT 3 released.
That absolutely does not mean it has vibe coded slop being added to it. Bad code is still bad code, and Linus will happily tear you a new one (and hand out a ban) for submitting such garbage in a merge request.
Again, these type of posts are dumb and throw outrage at the wrong target. All this anger and disappointment should be directed at the bubble pumping machine like Nvidia, OpenAI, MSFT, etc.
All of these foss project devs would probably have no problem using a local LLM in their work (which many already do) since the hardware requirements have been steadily falling, despite Nvidia's efforts to enforce their stranglehold on cloud demand.
curl is definitely NOT writing code with AI if you follow the newsletter. And wget will never be a valid alternative to curl if you know what they both do. You can safely remove it from the list.
I am personally a fan of xh over curl. Simple syntax IMO.
You're not overreacting. Projects enabling AI and ushering in the demise of humanity deserve to die. There's still hope that people will rise up against the machines, but the window of opportunity is closing.
VLC providing real-time subtitles arms like a cool feature, no? A reasonable use of AI? Or are they doing other worse/bad things with AI?
I've watched a few series with AI generated subtitles once and it's real dog shit. They miss some obvious words that completely breaks the immersion of what I'm watching.
On top of that, they're selling this feature as something good, instead of incentivating real subtitle writers that do a pretty solid work.
You'll see more AI slop and less good work from real people.
I don’t quite understand the outrage about this feature because it seems like a reasonable use case. I haven’t tried it yet but I played around with whisper model and found out it recognizes German way worse than me, while it’s only my third language.
As other commenters have said, a key factor hasn't hit yet: AI is artificially cheap because the whole thing is running on a bunch of investor money in a giant loop.
Once some IPOs go through, these companies will be required (by law) to produce a return to their investors. Given the actual costs of the AI chain, that will be extremely, extremely difficult to do, if it is possible at all.
At the very least, expect some mergers / acquisitions as companies try and consolidate to fix the shortfall by reducing competition. Though specifics are hard to pin down, given the complexity of the production chain and the associated energy costs, this likely won't be enough.
The market will self-correct when it's cheaper to do things the old way. Obviously, FOSS projects should fall off the AI wagon pretty quickly, since they're not revenue generating anyway (at least not directly).
