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I need to tack on a moderator blurb to this post. I received a report from Rimu that this post doxxed them. While it does appear the original post contained Rimu's full name, I do not believe this qualifies as doxxing.

Posting someone's full name typically would be doxxing, but Rimu has completely subverted their own expectation of privacy by publicly linking their full name with their development work on Piefed. Their username is even their real first name. I do not believe you can doxx someone who already did it to themselves.

This information is publicly available, and it was made so by Rimu themselves.

Not only is this not doxxing but under these circumstances it smacks of a half hearted attempt at censorship. Rimu made themselves a public figure. You cannot post their address, or other personal information, but their name is fair game by their own choice.

the list for the curious. I don't mind if rimu wants to maintain a default blocklist, if I maintained my own fediverse app I would probably make something similar, based on my own preferences, to cut down on the mod work. If you want your piefed instance to allow botfarm produce, disable the blocklist or just fork it and live your dream.

The right wing has ass fucked the entire world into the ground, I say good riddance.

It was only about 15 years ago that censorship was an extreme taboo on the internet. I miss those times deeply.

https://github.com/rimu/no-qanon/blob/master/domains.txt includes... wikileaks.org 🤦

afaik WikiLeaks still enjoys a spotless accuracy record and obviously has never promoted QAnon.

The fact that some QAnon promoters have themselves cited some WikiLeaks publications is, in my opinion at least, not a reason to prohibit linking to WikiLeaks (a site which hasn't published anything new recently but continues to host a massive archive of public interest documents).

If this is the most mainstream of websites being blocked I think I'm ok, piefed is still great software even with these sites included in a linking block

Given that many "right-wing" sites are full of lies, bigotry, and hate, I think I'm quite fine with this.

According to Rimu Atkinson, the main developer of PieFed, all PieFed instances come with a 3000-long block list of resources that cannot be linked to. These include all sorts of right-wing outlets. There is no easy opt-out, forcing existing instances to follow the blocklist.

I support blocking propaganda and fascism, however this is just censorship imo. This could be a good feature, IF the ultimate choice is on the instances and its users on if they want to have it enabled or not by default, not from the developer and "on all instances with no easy opt-out"

No, very probably not all PieFed instances, and AFAIK the socialist sites are not in that list of defaults.

If you’re going to make public accusations, please don’t sabotage yourself by making incorrect or imprecise claims.

Users that prefer a more curated and politically uniform experience might prefer PieFed over the alternatives.

There’s no reason to think that. I’d argue that Lemmygrad is more curated and politically uniform than any PieFed instance is.

goddamnit goddamnit goddamnit

Why does every fediverse reddit clone have to pull this shit? Like that blocklist isn't horrible - now - but what if the dude pulls a fetterman and next year he is blocking shit you agree with? Politically motivated censorship is the type of thing many people are trying to get away from.

I'm starting to think these are deliberate attempts to start a fediverse flame war.

Piefed has an easily lifted block on right wing propoganda, boohoo. Oh no, piefed called a Marxist-Lenninist website Marxist-Lenninist, how can I turn this into drama somehow

At this point, the difference between right wing and left wing polititics is simply that right wing politics is all about a single strong fascist billionaire leader who makes sure only his buddies get richer, and left wing politics is that we all have a nice life.

Many people actually prefer nthe former because only the former supports selfishness, and discrimination on race, sexuality, and whatnot, while the latter doesn't.

That literally nis the difference between the two. If you are rightwing, I will presume you're racist, sexist, and selfish.

Personally think it's just really not the software's job to handle this or have an opinion on this - it's rather up to the instance admins to decide.

I don’t need to agree with the sites to know this isn’t a good idea. The list is full of junk but it also has sites like fox news.

Should be an opt in.

I can only imagine the person coming up with this idea

Funny, I blocked your positivity comm because I kept seeing right wing astro turfers posting in your comms as a way to call out serial down voters and do more trolling than positivity. It's no surprise we take different approaches to moderation.

I joined piefed to have a healthier experience with my social media and go figure removing a lot of right wing bullshit does wonders!

The right is the party of white supremacy and child rape, so I’m happy not to see any material ignoring/defending/enabling that.

People were mad at Lemmy having a hard coded blocklist before, fortunately the dev sensibly removed it. This is worse than the one Lemmy had.

Can't disrupt the liberal echo chambers. They are trying to turn a communist creation into Reddit.

My solution: make blocklists subscription-based. I don't mean for money, though like most of the Fediverse, donations would be accepted.

What I mean is, there'd be an independent site that maintains a list of everything that could be blocked with keywords that specify why you might want to block it. People who run instances can make a custom, dynamic block list based on keywords that they want to block.

Say we have a tag, "paedo shit." I suppose most people would want to block that.

But say we also have a tag, "Zionist." So some instance would block that. Others wouldn't.

Now say you're running some site, you go to this site and see you're flagged as Zionist. You don't think you are, so you contest it with your reasoning. This opens a thread and anyone can comment on it.

Now when you go to block all "Zionist" sources, you have an option to also include all "contested" sources as well. If you say yes, it doesn't matter what they say. You're taking the source repository at their word. If you say no, you are presented with the sources that have contested it, and you can read the threads, and add or exclude them as you like.

How is this a bad plan? (In the words of my boy Luis Guzman from The Count of Monte Cristo (2002, Kevin Reynolds))

Users that are right-wing, Marxist, or generally concerned about global censorship of the Fedi-/Threadiverse, might opt for other options instead.

Based. Fuck accelerationists and fuck nazis.

And you know what, censorship is a problem. But at the moment, the choking permeation of authoritarians is worse, and the authoritarians could use some of their own fucking medicine for a bit until shit calms down.