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[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 99 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ah, purity tests, here we fucking go again.

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This seems like rage bait in its entirety. Gatekeeping that you can't be left if you aren't a vegan as well.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Leftism isn't purity politics but by god there are some people doing their best

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 30 points 1 week ago (28 children)

Food chain still exists, home slice, and I'm at the top of it. Doesn't change my feelings about labor rights, or housing, or healthcare. You're presenting a false equivalence argument.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're on top of it? Because you buy factory meat in a store?

[–] Rich_Benzina@feddit.it 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Your being dense on purpose? You think human as a specie isn't at the top? Like if we want we couldnt kill every animal specie?

We built civilization and you think we areny the apex?

[–] copygirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So you believe in rule of the mightiest?

Can you even call yourself a leftist?

Maybe you have a point to make but this isn't it.

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[–] RepleteLocum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Think about it with a moral view. Should we kill millions of animals a year even tho we don't have to and is considerably worse for your health and to the environment?

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

considerably worse for your health

Not quite the case. The way we in the western world consume meat is not particularly healthy. But a vegan diet is not healthier per se. You can have a pretty healthy diet that includes meat (although definitely with less meat than the average person in the western world consumes) and you can have a pretty healthy vegan diet. The difficulty with vegan diets is that humans are biologically omnivores, and while it is possible to lead a healthy vegan diet, one does have to be much more careful about their diet so that one doesn't miss any important nutrients. There's a reason the human palate is trained to like meat.

to the environment

This is more an argument to reduce meat consumption than to eliminate it, something I am entirely for. Whatever food we consume, it will just about always have an impact on the environment. The question is how we can reduce that impact to a point where it is sustainable.

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[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Which is why Jeff Bezos should be able to control your entire life, living conditions, reproduction, and milk you for all the money he possibly can, right? He is at the top of the food chain so you don’t get a say, and that’s good and moral. Right?

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago

It's at the top of the subjective hierarchy that you are inventing to justify your cruelty and violence. That's rationalization, that's not objective reality. That's how you cope with being a fucking monster.

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[–] lovingisliving@anarchist.nexus 22 points 1 week ago (7 children)

How is ita false equivalence to say that animal rights matter? Do sentient beings deserve to be eaten by us, simply because we have consciously decided that we want to be at the top of the food chain? Should you continue to have the highest emissions from your diet, simply because you're "at the top" of some hypothetical food chain you have no part in executing yourself?

I get that some people need to eat animal products for health reasons, but if your entire reason is "I am an apex predator" (which you're not, btw), then I don't see why you shouldn't be called out for that mentality, which is promoting a view of the world that is pretty exploitative of other living beings and environmentally damaging to boot.

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[–] Bad@jlai.lu 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well I guess that justifies the horrific conditions of factory farming animals by the billions congrats.

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[–] shapis@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Food chain still exists, home slice, and I'm at the top of it. Doesn't change my feelings about labor rights, or housing, or healthcare. You're presenting a false equivalence argument.

Corporate chain still exists home slice. And I’m at the top of it. Doesn’t change my feelings about exploiting you, not giving you proper social safety nets or healthcare.

Might makes right is a shit argument.

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[–] toomanypancakes@piefed.world 11 points 1 week ago

Whoop, there it goes. Right out the window.

[–] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"im physically capable of making other creatures suffer therefore it's acceptable for me to do so". Aight dude. Clearly there's no changing your mind, but for those looking - this mindset is the same as people who sexually assault women.

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[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I'm okay with bringing up the contradiction, we all need to be held accountable but too often this can be used as a purity test.

Food is a deeply personal issue that we should try not to moralize, I understand that can be difficult when there are real consequences to the climate and suffering of animals but If you moralize food you will lose people.

I say this is a 7-year vegan. I understand this is a meme but memes normalize culture and it is best to lead with invitation, not accusation.

[–] shapis@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Food is a deeply personal issue that we should try not to moralize, I understand that can be difficult

Personal issues end where others right to exist begin. A personal choice is what color choice you wanna be wear in the morning.

If your personal choice has victims, claiming it’s a personal choice ceases to be a valid reasoning to do it. And yes. Choosing to eat meat has victims. You’re eating your victims.

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[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I think being offended by this meme means that one isn't wholly comfortable with one's own cognitive dissonance

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (46 children)

Wanting to enjoy animal products and a great deal of the types of food ever made by humans does not inherently necessitate animal exploitation, and therefore isnt necessarily cognitive dissonance.

Factory farms and legitimate animal abuses are horrific, but the vast majority of human relationships to animals and animal products in history has not been anything like that. I dont take issue with actual husbandry or hunting, its the circle of life.

One of the great failures of activism in this area is that vegans conflate horrific animal abuses like factory farms with any form of eating animal products, which most people would not agree with, and it makes it easy for people to write off any activism to close factory farms and things like that as just “crazy vegans” or whatever.

I would love to see lab grown meat and other things that mean we could move beyond killing animals for consumptive purposes, and eventually we will. In the meantime, we can have ethical farming practices that ensure quality lives for animals that will be eaten. There is no cognitive dissonance in that. I dont think the majority of people believe there is an ethical issue with eating animals at large, just that there are unethical ways to raise animals to be eaten. I dont take issue with anyone believing that eating any animal products is unethical, but I also do not believe that there is some universal ethical truth to that idea whatsoever, nor that people eating meat is purely a social construct. Humans are omnivorous animals, we evolved to eat animals. If anything, veganism is far more of a socialized construct than biological evolution.

Beyond that, there are plenty of animal products that vegans refuse to eat even though taking them doest harm the animal or cost its life. Eggs, dairy or butter, etc.

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[–] stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (25 children)

As someone who is exploring veganism right now, this extreme stance is kind of a turn off. Like I'm still going to eat plant based, but this makes me not want to talk to people who call themselves vegan or even call myself vegan either.

Edit: It's strange that the response I am getting to this is to call me right wing and white, of which I am neither.

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] Juice@midwest.social 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Lol how many times have I heard vegans say, "oppressing minorities isn't as bad as animal agriculture"

Like I def know vegans who are bad ass leftists, my own leftism was inspired by veganism, and when the conditions of my life make it easier to eat vegan I will switch my diet back.

But there are lots of people who are vegan for health reasons, which is a perfectly fine reason to be vegan. But they don't tend to be especially left wing. The owners of a vegan hot dog restaurant/manufacturing in my city are like MAGA vegans. I had an ex girlfriend who was vegan, who never had sympathy for homeless people or any social causes before we got together.

I think what veganism and leftism have in common, is that many people are motivated by deep sympathy or empathy to make changes to themselves, in the hopes that in doing so we will make a change in the world. If we change enough people's minds, and they change themselves, eventually it will lead to a shift in the real world.

But leftism is not "my way of life is better and you're a bad person if you don't think and act like me" which is the attitude of many vegans (and some leftists). That isn't vegan leftism, it's vegan centrism. Checking product labels isn't political, and alienating people for their diet isn't leftist.

Leftism does not equal "having sympathy outside of my self". Sympathy and empathy are like senses. These senses allow us to identify objective truth, particularly injustice, by allowing us to sense pain in others. When this motivates us to make change to ourselves or the world, to resist injustice, that is leftism.

Every dividing issue has a political left and right. There are moderate and hard right conservatives, progressive and centrist liberals, left and moderate socialists. Left vegans are like some of the best people in society, and a conservative or centrist vegan is likely closer to the left on some social issues, if I had to guess.

But maybe that's not the point of the meme. Maybe veganism is like a litmus test for performative leftism

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I know a catholic anti-vaxxer vegan and a bisexual lumberjack vegan so the field is pretty wide open.

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[–] itsaphoque@moist.catsweat.com 19 points 1 week ago

Also called "how to make chuds tag themselves in one simple step". It disappointingly never fails...

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Insufferableness about this shit wont win you a single friend.

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[–] shiv@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm a lefty but when it comes to animals I'm a far right fascist who believes in human superiority. We're the top of a food chain in which animals consume each other.

That said, industrialized ranching techniques are gross and I wish people would hunt their own meat.

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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

iff (all leftists agreed)(either)(to be vegans)(or)(veganism has nothing to do with leftism) then (I would just go with the consensus and do the vegan thing)

since the majority of people, and, presumably, the majority of leftists don't agree to be vegans, we should probably stop using it to divide the left.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

beans are alright but pulses chickpea are what i swear by. god damn i fuckin love lentils im-vegan

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