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As someone who is exploring veganism right now, this extreme stance is kind of a turn off. Like I'm still going to eat plant based, but this makes me not want to talk to people who call themselves vegan or even call myself vegan either.
Edit: It's strange that the response I am getting to this is to call me right wing and white, of which I am neither.
Reminded me of this
Is this saying I am not going to be vegan because I am annoyed with vegans? Because I am not sure how this applies, unless you are grouping me with the vegans who are annoyed with vegans.
It's the "this extreme stance" as a response to the meme "leftism leaving people's bodies as animal exploitation is brought up." This is a super milquetoast critique and it gives the same vibe of "please be respectful to people of all kinds" getting a big reaction. E: also most vegans are annoyed by other vegans so its pretty accurate
Maybe "extreme" was the wrong word, I mean divisive. Its unnecessarily divisive and makes me not want want to label myself as a vegan even if I do only eat plant based.
I mean maybe, just to me it feels the same as the posts saying "no billionaires mfs when it's gabe newell" and it's someone saying "I did not see anything." Sort of like, dang I do like this thing but I guess they have a bit of a point there. Idk judging by how many people say it's divisive maybe it is more divisive than it feels to me, but it's hard to tell because a lot of people also use that as a way to shove it to the "don't think about it" category.
Yeah, it's called white veganism.
I do not understand what you are saying here.
It's a type of veganism that focus superficially on animal rights and use exclusionary language.
The opposite is intersectional veganism.
white veganism
Thank you for this.
You're welcome:)
What makes you think OP doesn't support other leftist ideals?
I do not know what OP thinks about other issues. They might have great stances on other stuff, but I am not taking position on that here.
I say it is white veganism because the purism is exclusionary in the sense that it is gatekeeping and imposing immorality upon those who fail to be clean vegans. Our communication should be assertive, but we should also make it inclusive. Let the 99% join without the fear of being ostracized.
Oh hey, you're the same person that I responded to in a different comment on this post. I've given a more detailed explanation there, but you're arguing against a straw man interpretation of the OP. It doesn't say meat eaters can't be leftist, it says self-identified leftists tend to argue against animal liberation with right wing arguments.
So the OP is not exclusionary to meat eaters, it is only exclusionary to people that oppose animal liberation. Which is good because animal liberation is good. Trying to sell oneself to centrists by compromising one's ideals, thus proving one has none and one will sell people out for political expedience in a heartbeat, has been catastrophic for left-wing parties throughout the western world for the past 40 years.
I've cut my meat consumption to a third. I realise I don't even like meat that much unless it's ultra processed lol. I think vegetables and tofu are bloody bangin but for now I'm happy with meat 2 days a week, whether that'll go down further I dunno
Based
Are you exploring veganism or plant based? They are not the same thing. Veganism is much more radical and has a real focus on ending animal suffering.
Either is a step in the right direction and reduces animal suffering.
Stop gatekeeping
Sincerely
a vegetarian of 11 years
Careful, you'll trigger the VERVs (vegetarian-exclusionary radical vegans).
I mean, a vegetarian would say that while patting themselves on the back
I’m anti-slavery. I went from owning 7 slaves to 1 house slave and I only lightly beat them. Stop gatekeeping demanding I end all slavery, what I do is ethical.
Sincerely,
A vegan.
This is exactly why people don't associate with vegans btw. I'm entirely plant based and have been for years, but if you call me a vegan I will actually fight you.
No, husbandry and agriculture are not anywhere near slavery. Vegetarianism is no where near slavery.
If you released any domesticated animal into the wild they would die and/or destroy the ecosystem killing billions of people and animals.
I mean they are acting insufferable but if you value animals similarly to humans it's not an insane comparison. And even in their comparison if someone did that in the times of slavery I would still applaud that change.
Insufferable
Your achievements in cutting animal products out of your lifestyle are overshadowed by the people you almost certainly have persuaded not to try
It's funny how every non-vegan knows exactly how to convert people; better, in fact, than every single person who has experienced conversion. Hilarious, in fact.
"this is why you don't have more vegans, a vegan was correct about my intentions and inaction. That won't win me over! ...it wins over others but it won't win me!"
Really impressive how it's always "this isn't how you win over non-vegans" from the non-vegans and never the people who are vegan.
I just think they don't ever want to hear about their situation in life keeps pain existing where it shouldn't.
It's typical shitlibbery, we always have to cater to them and tone it down etc.
I don't care any more, let them rage.
Giga based of you
I am doing the one where you don't eat any animal products or use any animal products. The reason I chose to do this is personal, I am not adopting any ideologies.